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Matter and energy can be past-eternal
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Matter and energy can be past-eternal
Matter and energy can be past-eternal. This statement is either true or false.

If the statement is true, then we may live in a universe or multiverse where an infinite number of changes occurred before the present occurred; and that there is an infinite amount of order in our universe or multiverse, which is why after an infinite number of changes, we still observe and measure only a finite amount of entropy, permitting new changes to occur in our universe. Moreover, the finite amount of entropy that we measure isn’t really finite. It's actually nonexistent because if the rate of change for entropy is positive and if it were increasing for infinity, then we should be observing a universe with infinite entropy. In other words, the entropy we observe now must either be really zero or it must naturally decrease after an unspecified amount of time despite us currently observing it increasing.

If the statement is false then that means we may live in a universe or multiverse where there has only been a finite number of changes and amount of order. The statement, “There is matter and energy” wasn’t always true. This means literally nothing—or not anything—or nonbeing—has the potential and causal power to produce matter and energy. For example, if there was not anything prior to the big bang, then the big bang would mark an entropy level of zero (or a very low number), but since the universe has only been around for 13.7 billion years, the amount of entropy we would currently be observing in such a universe wouldn't be infinite.

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Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by ManofYesterday - June 28, 2017 at 4:09 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 4:11 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 4:15 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 4:53 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 29, 2017 at 2:33 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 29, 2017 at 3:16 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 29, 2017 at 4:43 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 29, 2017 at 4:55 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 29, 2017 at 5:03 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by bennyboy - June 29, 2017 at 11:22 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Jesster - June 29, 2017 at 5:05 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 29, 2017 at 5:07 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 29, 2017 at 5:27 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by bennyboy - June 29, 2017 at 11:38 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 29, 2017 at 5:36 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 29, 2017 at 8:07 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 29, 2017 at 9:11 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Astonished - June 29, 2017 at 10:35 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Jesster - June 30, 2017 at 12:16 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 12:34 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 1:10 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 1:28 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 1:46 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 2:23 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 2:34 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 2:40 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Jesster - June 30, 2017 at 4:40 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 3:00 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 3:46 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 4:55 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 4:55 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 5:04 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by chimp3 - June 30, 2017 at 5:18 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 7:02 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by LastPoet - June 30, 2017 at 8:13 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 8:30 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 11:18 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 10:41 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 11:24 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Ben Davis - June 30, 2017 at 12:50 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 2:51 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 3:30 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 11:28 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 11:53 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 2:13 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 3:06 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 3:40 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 3:44 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 3:46 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 3:53 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 3:49 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 3:52 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 4:03 pm
Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by LadyForCamus - June 30, 2017 at 3:58 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 4:06 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 4:09 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 4:08 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 4:20 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 4:52 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 4:55 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 5:11 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 5:14 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 5:12 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by brewer - June 30, 2017 at 6:55 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by bennyboy - June 30, 2017 at 6:59 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 7:17 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by bennyboy - June 30, 2017 at 6:54 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Succubus - June 30, 2017 at 5:18 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 5:29 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 5:31 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 6:31 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 6:38 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 6:42 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 7:02 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by brewer - June 30, 2017 at 7:22 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by brewer - June 30, 2017 at 7:53 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by brewer - June 30, 2017 at 9:09 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - June 30, 2017 at 7:27 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by bennyboy - June 30, 2017 at 7:37 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 7:28 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by bennyboy - June 30, 2017 at 7:28 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by bennyboy - June 30, 2017 at 7:43 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by bennyboy - June 30, 2017 at 7:59 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by bennyboy - June 30, 2017 at 8:19 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 9:15 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by bennyboy - June 30, 2017 at 8:13 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 8:16 pm
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by bennyboy - July 1, 2017 at 12:02 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by bennyboy - July 1, 2017 at 12:35 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - July 1, 2017 at 1:00 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - July 1, 2017 at 1:08 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - July 1, 2017 at 2:53 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - July 1, 2017 at 3:41 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - July 1, 2017 at 3:42 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - July 1, 2017 at 8:23 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - July 1, 2017 at 8:43 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Alex K - July 1, 2017 at 8:57 am
RE: Matter and energy can be past-eternal - by Amarok - July 1, 2017 at 11:23 am

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