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Christianity and Suicide
RE: Christianity and Suicide
(July 5, 2017 at 3:22 pm)Drich Wrote:
(June 30, 2017 at 4:18 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote: Christianity claims that God made you, and he loves you very much. If you kill yourself you will anger him, because you didn't apreccciate his gift, your life, and he will send you to Hell.
No. You will be judged just like everyone else based on what God gave you to deal with and how you dealt with your life. If God sent you straight to Hell that would be the unforgivable sin, and the bible does not label it as such. There is only one unforgivable sin and that is blaspheme of the holy Spirit.

Maybe not in the Bible, but the Church (maybe not all members or denominations, but many of them) claims that suicide is a sin. Whetever you consider it or not, the Church makes the rules, or it influences very great at the very least.
Quote:Guess what, nobody ever has choosed to be born, and not everybody has had a good life. People usually kill themeselves because they've been traumatised or hate themeselves. 
or a whole lot of other reasons.

I said MOST of them not ALL of them. And even if the reason is stupid, do you think that eternal punishment or a punishment at all will change their way, that it will make them better? 

Quote:If God didn't want people to kill themeselves, why would He allow them to had bad lives? And if life is a "gift" than wouldn't you be allowed to do what you wan't with it?
God doesn't want you to Kill yourself because this whole life is nothing but the breifest vapor and was meant to give you an oppertunity to choose what you want to do for eternity... If killing yourself means you hate life then maybe Hell is not such a bad option.

You said earlier that you won't be judged because of this. Contradicting yourself, aren't you? And maybe people have good reasons for hating their lives: abusive parents, wars, poverty. Your logic is that if someone can't handle pain in this life, no matter if they were moral or not, the next life should be literally eternal Hell. Makes perfect sense!

Quote:When you give someone a present you expect them to do whatever they want with it. If God can't accept that He's a whiny little bitch.
Of course suicide is bad, but it's bad because you will also miss the good things in life, it's bad because it saddens people who love you, not because it will piss off some immature man in the sky. Bad has many shades, not all bad things need to be punished.
Suicidals need help in order to become happy, to enjoy life.
happiness is not the key here it is leaning to be content.

So God doesn't want you to necesarilly be happy in this life. He wans you to be thankfull even for a shitty life, while there are others, including bad people, who live perfectly fine. He want's you to be a mindless robot, that follows his rules no matter what.

Quote:Psychology claims the exact opposite of Christianity.
which is?

Christianity claims that if you kill yourself you're a sinner that deserves eternal Hell. Psychology says that suicidal people aren't necessarily evil, they might be depressed or think that their death will accomplish something. They need to be helped to see the good things about life and about themselves. They need to be convinced that their life is worth, and therefore shouldn't comit suicide.
Quote:To discriminate against gays, women and atheists is one thing for Christianity.
book chapter and verse?

With great pleasure!

About  gays: If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)
About women: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.(1 Corinthias 14:34-36)
About atheists: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.(Psalms 53:1)

I can search for more verses about these topics, there's enough of them. I can also search you verses that promote slavery, that say not to wear clothing with more than one  material, ones that tell you not to shave your head and many other wonderfull subjects, if you are interested.

Quote: Sure, it's bad, really bad to hate people for being different. But to hate on people for not wanting to live is more than disgusting!
why?

Great question!

Let's begin about hating on people for being differrent. As long as they are not hurting others, why should you care? Maybe they're someone close to you, and their decissions may not satisfy you. Guess what! They have their own brain! Even if you are right and they are wrong, you can't think for them! So if none of you changes their mind, no matter what, you either accept the person or leave them. And even if a person has a defect, they may, just may have enough qualities to top that.

Now about suicide! Let's talk about three different persons. The first one is one you hate for a particular reason. This person want's to commmite suicide. You may be happy about it, since you hate the person, not care about it or feel sorry about it. Either way, it's their choice and their life, and chances are, it will affect you the least compared to other persons. The second person is someone you know nothing about, so you feel neutral about them. If they killed themselves you would probably feel sorry about them or don't care. However, you don't have a personal connection with them, and it's their life. So it's normal that you won't be as affected as if the third person would commit such an act. The person is someone you love. Now that would really affect you. The thing is, it woul affect you, BECAUSE you love them, BECAUSE you want them to live. Maybe you will hate their decision, but you will not hate the person. Unless said persons also kill other people as they kill themeselves or do it just to piss you or someone else off, you have no reason to be mad at them. 
"By simple common sense I don't believe in God, in none"

Charlie Chaplin
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Christianity and Suicide - by Der/die AtheistIn - June 30, 2017 at 4:18 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - June 30, 2017 at 5:16 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 30, 2017 at 5:29 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by brewer - June 30, 2017 at 5:52 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Minimalist - June 30, 2017 at 6:34 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - June 30, 2017 at 7:43 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Court Jester - June 30, 2017 at 7:48 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 1, 2017 at 8:45 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 1, 2017 at 6:35 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 1, 2017 at 7:19 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 1, 2017 at 7:41 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 1, 2017 at 9:01 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 1, 2017 at 7:49 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 1, 2017 at 11:39 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 2, 2017 at 2:03 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Der/die AtheistIn - July 2, 2017 at 6:44 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 2, 2017 at 9:30 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 2, 2017 at 9:07 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by SteveII - July 3, 2017 at 9:53 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 4, 2017 at 1:30 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jehanne - July 5, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Brian37 - July 5, 2017 at 1:20 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jehanne - July 5, 2017 at 2:08 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Minimalist - June 30, 2017 at 7:48 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Anomalocaris - July 1, 2017 at 9:12 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - June 30, 2017 at 11:10 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 30, 2017 at 11:40 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 1, 2017 at 12:06 am
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 3, 2017 at 7:47 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 3, 2017 at 10:08 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 3, 2017 at 11:21 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 4, 2017 at 2:37 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 4:15 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 4, 2017 at 5:23 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 5:28 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 1, 2017 at 7:12 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 2, 2017 at 12:39 am
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 2, 2017 at 1:32 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 3, 2017 at 7:50 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 4, 2017 at 11:57 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 4, 2017 at 12:11 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 4, 2017 at 4:45 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 4, 2017 at 4:54 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 4, 2017 at 7:18 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 4, 2017 at 7:21 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 4, 2017 at 8:22 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 5, 2017 at 1:15 am
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 5, 2017 at 9:00 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 6, 2017 at 2:51 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 6, 2017 at 11:04 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 7, 2017 at 9:00 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 7, 2017 at 9:26 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 8, 2017 at 8:48 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 8, 2017 at 9:22 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 10, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 10, 2017 at 4:14 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 10, 2017 at 4:18 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 10, 2017 at 10:54 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 10, 2017 at 11:16 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 12, 2017 at 1:33 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 12, 2017 at 2:10 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 10, 2017 at 11:18 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Silver - July 5, 2017 at 10:26 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 5, 2017 at 1:48 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Brian37 - July 5, 2017 at 1:56 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 5, 2017 at 2:21 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 5, 2017 at 4:31 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Brian37 - July 5, 2017 at 4:43 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 5, 2017 at 4:59 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mister Agenda - July 5, 2017 at 10:30 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 5, 2017 at 10:32 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Silver - July 5, 2017 at 10:34 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Brian37 - July 5, 2017 at 11:40 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Minimalist - July 1, 2017 at 7:21 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by ignoramus - July 2, 2017 at 6:10 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 2, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 2, 2017 at 3:02 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by vorlon13 - July 3, 2017 at 9:46 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by ignoramus - July 4, 2017 at 4:44 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by brewer - July 4, 2017 at 7:52 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 4, 2017 at 10:04 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by brewer - July 4, 2017 at 11:37 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 4, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 12:54 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 4, 2017 at 3:45 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 4, 2017 at 2:56 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 3:06 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 3:13 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 3:39 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 3:45 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 5:18 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 5:22 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 5:29 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 5:46 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 5:50 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 5:54 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 5:59 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 6:10 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 4, 2017 at 6:26 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 4, 2017 at 7:28 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 4, 2017 at 9:48 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 4, 2017 at 4:54 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 4, 2017 at 6:59 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 4, 2017 at 7:16 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 4, 2017 at 7:40 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 4, 2017 at 7:43 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 7:36 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 4, 2017 at 7:52 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Succubus - July 4, 2017 at 7:17 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 4, 2017 at 7:47 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 4, 2017 at 8:24 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Lek - July 4, 2017 at 9:42 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mister Agenda - July 5, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Brian37 - July 5, 2017 at 10:31 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Drich - July 5, 2017 at 3:22 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Der/die AtheistIn - July 6, 2017 at 11:42 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 5, 2017 at 7:37 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 5, 2017 at 8:10 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 7, 2017 at 9:49 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 7, 2017 at 10:45 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Minimalist - July 7, 2017 at 11:02 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 7, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 12, 2017 at 3:44 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 12, 2017 at 11:08 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 12, 2017 at 10:25 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 13, 2017 at 1:08 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 13, 2017 at 1:24 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 13, 2017 at 2:49 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 13, 2017 at 3:17 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 14, 2017 at 11:40 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 15, 2017 at 12:49 am
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 18, 2017 at 12:38 am
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RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 18, 2017 at 1:56 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mister Agenda - July 18, 2017 at 10:59 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 19, 2017 at 3:29 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mister Agenda - July 19, 2017 at 12:31 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 20, 2017 at 2:21 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mister Agenda - July 20, 2017 at 1:10 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jackalope - July 19, 2017 at 1:15 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 20, 2017 at 12:27 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by The Valkyrie - July 20, 2017 at 12:42 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 20, 2017 at 1:36 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Harry Nevis - July 20, 2017 at 11:53 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Harry Nevis - July 13, 2017 at 8:41 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 14, 2017 at 9:53 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Mystical - July 13, 2017 at 9:54 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 14, 2017 at 11:57 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 15, 2017 at 12:11 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 15, 2017 at 12:17 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 15, 2017 at 7:27 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by mordant - July 15, 2017 at 6:55 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 15, 2017 at 2:48 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by mordant - July 15, 2017 at 4:09 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 15, 2017 at 3:53 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 15, 2017 at 8:32 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 17, 2017 at 1:30 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by JackRussell - July 16, 2017 at 3:17 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 17, 2017 at 10:41 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 17, 2017 at 10:36 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 17, 2017 at 11:13 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 17, 2017 at 11:43 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 18, 2017 at 12:55 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 18, 2017 at 2:05 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 18, 2017 at 8:46 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jackalope - July 18, 2017 at 2:29 pm
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Silver - July 18, 2017 at 8:48 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 18, 2017 at 9:14 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 18, 2017 at 10:53 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 19, 2017 at 3:01 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 19, 2017 at 3:19 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 19, 2017 at 11:03 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Godscreated - July 20, 2017 at 1:34 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 20, 2017 at 1:27 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Inkfeather132 - July 20, 2017 at 1:36 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Jesster - July 20, 2017 at 1:53 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Dropship - July 21, 2017 at 11:27 am
RE: Christianity and Suicide - by Astonished - July 22, 2017 at 12:53 am

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