(July 19, 2017 at 1:15 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(July 19, 2017 at 3:29 am)Godscreated Wrote: It's never been demonstrated and it's an accepted fact.
GC
Not amongst physicists. You know, the guys that actually study such things. Amongst the religious laiety it may be accepted fact. You know, the people who don't actually study such things.
So, as usual, you know no such thing.
ETA: Also, you appear to be equivocating on the meaning of "know". I was quite clear the sense of the word I am using here (something akin to "justified true belief"). You haven't justified it, and the truth value of your claim is unknown and possibly unknowable.
What hubris. You know what your bible has to say about pride, yes?
I'm not acting with pride, I'm stating fact and you know it. I've not heard of physicists saying that something can generate itself from nothing and just saying they believe it doesn't justify anything, nor does it make it true.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.