Believing in Deities is a Form of Psychosis

[Little Rik]

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Consciousness on the other hand is something abstract and therefore got to be understood by a science that is not physical.
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Can my physical science alter your abstract consciousness?

The answer is yes. Therefore "consciousness" is at least partially explained and impacted by physical science.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.      

Can your computer alter you?
How can it?
A physical science that deal with matter is miles and miles below the human consciousness therefore can not  alter it.
All physical science can do is to understand how the brain works but to understand the consciousness is a total different story.

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Can my physical science alter your abstract consciousness? The answer is yes. Therefore "consciousness" is at least partially explained and impacted by physical science.

The mind/body problem largely concerns the relationship between quantitative effects that are subject to the scientific method and qualitative affects which generally aren't. I'm pretty sure this conversation won't go anywhere beyond bare assertions, since I don't believe either Rik or Astonished are well versed in the relevant literature.

You must be a serious fan and admirer of Thomas Nagel.

Both of you are deep intellectuals.
Unfortunately the intellect is not able to bring the hidden knowledge that lie in the consciousness above in the mind.
It is a big big waste of time.
All the intellect can do is to discover this finite universe.
Other than that little or nothing.

It remind me the poor donkey walking in circles wasting his energies and getting nowhere.

Astonished doesn't even know who Thomas Nagel is and is too stupid to understand why he matters.

The problem with Ast is not much whether he knows or not who Nagel is.
Ast problem is a lot deeper than that.
Maybe a psychologist can better understand which nut or nuts in his brain are faulty.