(August 5, 2017 at 1:01 pm)mordant Wrote:(August 4, 2017 at 5:11 pm)ComradeMeow Wrote: I as an anti-theist will oppose theism because of its lack of truthfulness but I will not oppose it because I think I have the right conclusions about life.One of the reasons I oppose theism is because it is a failed epistemology that does not and inherently cannot lead towards truth. As such, while I wouldn't go so far as to say I have all the 100% correct conclusions about life, meaning purpose and so forth, I do not let my epistemological humility go so far as to say I'm not confident I have more accurate conclusions vs someone who is just embracing unsubstantiated assertions.
(August 4, 2017 at 5:11 pm)ComradeMeow Wrote: I will not even oppose all types of theism the same since conflating the semantics of pantheism to Abrahamic monotheism is unfair.Totally agree with you here. The Abrahamic faiths, particularly the fundamentalist-leaning parts, are the biggest problem by far. I have a lot of common cause with liberal Christians, post-Christians (e.g. Unitarian/Universalists), pantheists, etc.
(August 4, 2017 at 5:11 pm)ComradeMeow Wrote: I would not even oppose those who are like myself and enjoy the mythology of religion or what religions has to offer because I feel upset about that religions past. I would happily rejoin Islam if it dropped the theistic Muhammadiyyah bullshit and became a purely secular religion based on the practical opinions of al-Ma'ari and Zakariya al-Razi. That's not happening at the moment so I will have to hold my subscription.A non-theistic version of Islam, I agree, isn't likely to happen anytime soon. Non-theistic Buddhism and Taoism already exists, though. Do you have any particular objection to those?
(August 4, 2017 at 5:11 pm)ComradeMeow Wrote: The hate given towards religion as a concept though is unfounded and completely misinformed."Hate" is an overdetermined charge. Most atheists don't "hate" religion, literally. Many of us find it highly problematic, and I grant you, the confusion of religion with theism isn't 100% justified (maybe just 90%) because of the examples I gave just above, of non-theistic religions. I think our true beef is probably more with theism and more precisely with affording belief to the unsubstantiated, whether that be gods, the supernatural invisible realms / afterlives, unsupported cosmologies, and the like.
I think any of those that involve 'faith' are a problem, regardless of the content. Being irrational is not a good idea. If you can somehow invent a religion or theistic framework or other mythology that somehow requires a dogmatic belief in it that somehow doesn't involve faith, then that wouldn't fall under the umbrella of something that deserves hate or opposition. It's just one doesn't generally find any of those things that are able to be entirely divorced from that.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.