RE: North Korea Now Making Missile Ready Nuclear Weapons
August 9, 2017 at 12:45 pm
(This post was last modified: August 9, 2017 at 12:49 pm by Brian37.)
(August 9, 2017 at 11:32 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote: Kim's overriding concern was regime stability and safety from outside interference. With a nuke stockpile and the means to deliver it, he's accomplished that short-term mission. While I don't welcome yet another repressive regime with nuclear capability, I'm sanguine that he's rational enough to see his arsenal for what it is: long-term insurance against aggression.
Now that he has his own devastating deterrence, in some ways things just got harder for him, at least in the long term. Now he has to worry about pacifying and, if possible, improving the lot of his subjects, who -- at least in part -- knuckled under because Kim was able to sell them the story that S. Korea and the U.S. were itching to invade and overthrow the government. That will be a much harder sell in the future, and there may come a point when the North Korean people look around and ask, "Now that Dear Leader has secured us from our enemies, when do the good times start?"
A cult of personality and constant threats can only carry Kim so far. There may come a time when circumstances compel him to pursue a Chinese-style effort to actually grow his economy and provide for his people -- if only to save his own neck.
I this context I totally agree. Trump scares me more at this point because he is too fucking stupid to consider what you just typed. And again, when you have both China and Russia now voting with America long term, he has to behave or nobody will be on Kim's side.
This is what his father and China and Russia and America all understood even in the original Korean War. Back then the entire world was full of survivors of WW2 and knew that the atomic bombs we dropped on Japan were more so a warning to Russia than it was to end the war sooner. I don't agree with how America ended the war and we can't change that. But Trump is old enough to remember but stupid enough to ignore it.
Wait the fucker out and use sanctions. I don't believe Trump or the GOP that 40 years of sanctions have not worked, if they had not worked we would have been in a war with them far sooner, even with them not having nukes.
If Trump truly cares about anything besides his own ego, he will listen to those telling him to tone down his dangerous rhetoric.
(August 9, 2017 at 12:25 pm)Dropship Wrote: We can bet that Don and his Generals have got a map like this with the sites marked down for annihilation by cruise missile and drone strikes to draw Kim's teeth.
Without nukes in his toybox Kim will be just a harmless tub of hot air..
PS- I wouldn't put it past Kim to gift some nuke warheads to ISIS and other terror groups, so the sooner he's neutralised the better..
Um no and just NO.
A conventional war would still cause great death not just in NK but in SK too. And again, China doesn't want a refugee problem due to that, nor do they want a unified western South Korea next to their border.
Even a conventional war would cause mass death. If you think two simple air strikes will cause his population to overthrow Kim, you are fooling yourself.