(August 11, 2017 at 8:13 am)A Theist Wrote:(August 10, 2017 at 9:00 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: And just so everyone's clear, since there seems to be some confusion about what a full-on nuclear war would entail, here's a famous British film called Threads, a film made in 1984 showing, in gruesome detail, what we can expect from a full-on nuclear exchange.Yup. I sure do remember that movie. But, anyway, where did I say that I wanted to see a nuclear war with NOKO? My point was that we tried diplomacy and strategic patience with North Korea for the better part of thirty years, from Bill Cinton to George Bush, and to Barack Obama, to persuade them not to develop nuclear weapons. Fast forward to now, NOKO still developed nuclear weapons and the delivery systems to launch them and have been threatening to strike the U.S. and our territories and Japan and South Korea. Better than thirty years of appeasement, diplomacy, and empty threats hasn't deterred North Korea from developing nuclear weapons, and now they're a threat. The failures of the past three presidents over NOKO has been passed down to President Trump. This time the approach with North Korea is different, considering the failures of diplomacy over the last thirty plus years. Trump issued the warning to NOKO, if they continue to threaten us, to attack Guam and our Japanese and South
Remember when The Day After aired, and it scared the crap out of America, up to and including inspiring Ronald Reagan to reach a deal with Gorbachev at Reykjavik, something that Reagan would later admit was inspired by the film? At the end, they said it was actually a toned-down version of what to expect. Threads, however, wasn't. An army of scientific advisors were involved, including Carl Sagan, and they created an even bleaker, but even more brutally honest picture of what to expect. And in the 33 years since it aired, the science behind it still holds up, and the only exception is the assumption that the Ozone Layer won't be able to rebuild itself in the absence of pollutants (and even then, there's still some dispute about that.)
But, really, if that's what you really want, I'm not going to judge you for that. I just want to be sure you know what you're going to be damning the rest of humanity to if the worst comes to worst.
Really, it's been known for decades that the effects of even a very limited nuclear exchange would be catastrophic. Here's an assessment made by the US Government in the 1970s detailing a limited exchange on Detroit. (spoiler alert: shit will be horrible, and immediate casualties may very well end up dwarfing those of the battle of Stalingrad, the bloodiest battle in history, even in the best-case nuclear scenario)
I'm just saying there's a reason we haven't actually used our nukes in 72 years and one day and most of our Commanders-in-Chief have known it. Can the Pentagon teach Trump what that reason is? Will he care?
Korean allies they'll be met with a powerful response from us. It's up to North Korea now. Do they want peace or do they want to risk destruction.
If you don't wan't a nuclear war THEN PULL YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!
This is not a fucking game, and you have no right to hide behind your gung ho bullshit and neither does 45!
Millions if not billions will die if that fuckface triggers WW3.
There is not 1 nation on this planet, a world war will effect EVERYONE so stop being so fucking narcissistic. Neither Kim's ego or 45s ego, the egos of 2 individuals do not have the right to put the rest of our species in jeopardy.
TAKE YOUR FUCKING DIRTY HARRY POLICY AND SHOVE IT!