(August 11, 2017 at 9:48 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:(August 11, 2017 at 9:42 am)Brian37 Wrote: Bullshit.
If he was not being controlled by China, then why did they vote with us for more sanctions?
The Kim family is not interested in a war. Again, they are only interested in keeping power. The have been bluffing for decades.
And again, nobody has offered me anything new here that Obama, Bush Jr, Bill Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, JFK ect have all also had to deal with North Korea.
If you are foolish enough to think 45 can do any better, sorry, no polite way to put it, you are playing with fire and supporting a dangerous madman.
We knock the Kim family out China is going to compete to fill that void we create, which will cause us to go to war with China.
Now, unless 45 can make some deal with them then it is pointless and dangerous to bust NK up.
If he was being controlled by china, then china wouldn't need to get into a situation where they have to vote with the US to ambargo it.
North Korean nuclear capability encourages the development of countermeasures by Japan and the US that necessarily also degrade the effectiveness of China's own nuclear arsenal.
If china had any decisive influence in North Korea, North Korea would never be allowed to develop nuclear weapons. North Korean nuclear weapons weakens china relative to the US. BUT, North Korean nuclear weapons do not weaken china as much as a complete collapse of North Korea would weaken china. This is why china would continue to prop up North Korea even though North Korea substantially harmed China's position in the world.
I don't care. I am talking about the risk now.
It is insane to risk a war with China regardless of your opinion here now.
We knock out Un, China is going to try to fill that power vacuum and don't tell me 45 would be diplomatic about it.
And again, nobody in this thread has offered up anything new that prior presidents for the past 50 years haven't figured out.
The only way a war with NK would work if we made a deal with China BEFORE we do anything.
45 wont do that so all you are doing is risking WW3.