RE: Quantum consciousness...
August 22, 2017 at 12:39 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2017 at 12:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
"If it;s not binary it must be quantum"
Um, no? Classic non-sequitur. In any case, if you're asking that question, and you want a binary answer...one thing you won't be able to escape is that the only places we have any indication of consciousness from, whatsoever, are far above the quantum level. We don;t see any indication of it in the microscopic, at the level of individal atoms..or of cells made of many atoms, or in simple multi-cellular life, or in complex organ and organelle based life -sans- a cns. Or, even, uniformly, in complex multicellular organ based life -with- a cns. It's not just a little bit above the quantum level that we have indications of consciousness, it;s far....far....faaaaaaaaaaar "above" it.
It's not, by any reckoning, that the various interactions and properties at each level "below" have no effect or aren;t in some way operative or fundamental to the end result - simply that the subject "x" -for whatever reason, does not manifest itself as a phenomena until -at least- a particular point in this hierarchy. Thus, to say that consciousness is ":quantum" or "atomic" or "a function of cells" or "of multicellular life", or of "systemic complexity", or even "of a central nervous system" are all true, but only trivially so.
This is why productive theories of consciousness explicitly reference specified complexities at a particular point in the hierachy and present in an individual representative.
Um, no? Classic non-sequitur. In any case, if you're asking that question, and you want a binary answer...one thing you won't be able to escape is that the only places we have any indication of consciousness from, whatsoever, are far above the quantum level. We don;t see any indication of it in the microscopic, at the level of individal atoms..or of cells made of many atoms, or in simple multi-cellular life, or in complex organ and organelle based life -sans- a cns. Or, even, uniformly, in complex multicellular organ based life -with- a cns. It's not just a little bit above the quantum level that we have indications of consciousness, it;s far....far....faaaaaaaaaaar "above" it.
It's not, by any reckoning, that the various interactions and properties at each level "below" have no effect or aren;t in some way operative or fundamental to the end result - simply that the subject "x" -for whatever reason, does not manifest itself as a phenomena until -at least- a particular point in this hierarchy. Thus, to say that consciousness is ":quantum" or "atomic" or "a function of cells" or "of multicellular life", or of "systemic complexity", or even "of a central nervous system" are all true, but only trivially so.
This is why productive theories of consciousness explicitly reference specified complexities at a particular point in the hierachy and present in an individual representative.
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