RE: Quantum consciousness...
August 24, 2017 at 1:01 am
(This post was last modified: August 24, 2017 at 1:04 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 23, 2017 at 11:13 pm)bennyboy Wrote: So you're saying that rather than having consciousness or a lack of it, we have a kind of smooth transition, like saying, "In the rainbow, when does red change to blue?" There's no actual cut line, so the choice of exactly where to say, "There. . . it's happened!" is arbitrary. Yet, there is the red, and the blue, and the smooth transition between them. Am I reading you right?-I- don;t know. I really don't. If consciousness were some form of computation, however..yeah, that could be the case. The simplest "conscious computer"... wherever we place that line, probably wouldn't be meaningfully different from the next hypothetical incremental step below it.
Quote:I recall we've had this conversation before. Even for a single neuron, I'd start pulling out proteins, molecules, or even QM particles, and strain that cut line as far as I could. I'm not sure there WOULD be any point at which you'd go from something to nothing: you'd probably have a statistical chance of failure as you took things too far-- maybe misfirings occurring more and more often or whatever. Or, and this is my leaning, it may be that the relationship between QM:chair and QM:mind are equal-- that all the fundamental principles necessary for mind are there right at the bottom.
I suppose that's really the question here. I can pull apart a chair, and it will be less and less chairlike, until at some point I'll get something so unlike a chair that nobody would use that term for it. Is consciousness like this? Is it just a semantic for systems that behave in certain ways, such that the reality doesn't change as we manipulate the system, but the definitions we'd be willing to apply to that system change?
You misunderstand me, I'm not asking you to reassert that consciousness is everywhere, in everything...I'm asking..if there were a binary cutout, where -you- would place it. Play with the idea.
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