RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?
August 24, 2017 at 4:40 pm
(This post was last modified: August 24, 2017 at 5:13 pm by Godscreated.)
(August 24, 2017 at 8:04 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:(August 23, 2017 at 5:00 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I do not want/need your pity nor disgust. I'm a much better human being because I have a relationship with God, I see more now than I ever did. I do not have a negative opinion as per deserving an eternal punishment, it's what will happen and I do not want to see anyone here finding themselves in hell. I'm sorry if you take my concern for your eternal life in any way other than a desire to help.
GC
Well, we all get things in life we don't want. But we usually get what we deserve.
Funny you should say the above, (bold by me). Because Christians do not get what we deserve, it comes through the grace of God alone. Now atheist according to God will get what they deserve and in the end they will not want it, they will want what they rejected and if they hadn't rejected Him would have gotten what they did not deserve.
GC
(August 24, 2017 at 10:53 am)Astreja Wrote:(August 22, 2017 at 11:21 pm)Godscreated Wrote: God doesn't torture so get over it...
A truly good deity would not create a hell.
A truly evil one would both create a hell and allow suffering to continue there eternally. No amount of blaming the victim can excuse such a monstrous moral failure, and hypocrisy as well: The agony of one mortal trapped in hell until the end of time infinitely surpasses the pain allegedly suffered by Jesus on the cross, yet it is for not accepting those comparatively insignificant three hours that the condemned mortal becomes the real sacrifice, the real martyr.
1) Why? Is it because it forces you to make a decision, forces you out of your comfort zone, that's only temporary.
2) Why? Justice has to be served for all and that in itself eliminates 'blaming the victim.' There is no hypocrisy on God's part and the moral failure is on humanity. God provided a way and those who do not choose to follow Jesus can not have their sins forgiven. How fair would it be for those who accepted Christ and are forgiven and then God forgive those who rejected Christ and fought against those who accepted Him. I'm going to say this until someone understands it, God is eternal and all sin that's committed is against His eternal nature and without forgiveness that sin will remain forever and thus the eternal punishment. It doesn't matter whether you agree with God, it's not your universe, your creation. God rules over all of it and His word is finial, there is no arguing your way out of it.
3) The bold above by me shows me you were never in the knowledge of what Christ actually did. You think Christ called out to the Father because He was in physical pain, rehash that thought. Jesus spent quite a bit of time being beaten by a whip that was as cruel as any devise ever invented by man to be used upon man, He never cried out once, even though His flesh was being stripped from His body. Have a try at it and see how long you would last. You should understand what Jesus was crying out about, if you ever do you might just see Him in the light that makes a difference in your life. When I realized it I was broken.
GC
(August 24, 2017 at 11:13 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:(August 24, 2017 at 12:20 am)Godscreated Wrote: Since you don't care there's no need to explain, but it's not what Baptist believe.
GC
Care to respond to my other post? The one your ignoring.
I believe I answered all your post to me, if you do not think so and apparently you don't the tell me which one it is, thanks.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.