(August 23, 2017 at 1:05 am)Godscreated Wrote: You have no idea what I believe hell to be like. I do affirm that God created hell, who else has the power to do so. Sin is against the everlasting God and as long as the sin goes unforgiven the sin is in effect. Same as a life sentence we give to criminals, if they did not die they would remain in prison forever because the crime isn't paid for. Fortunately we have One who has made it possible for our sin to be forgiven.

GC

Actually, knowing that you're a Baptist, I do know quite a lot about what you believe hell to be like (it's not like Baptists got all secretive like the Mormons and Scientologists did). Your doctrine, in general if not the specifics of your pastor's takes on them, are all out there for the world to see and the Baptist view of hell is almost exclusively extra-biblical. "Paradise Lost" and Dante's "Divine Comedy" inform your view of hell a hell of a lot () more than your buy-bull. Of course, you could provide some scriptures describing that Baptist vision of hell? Or not. I really have no fucks to give one way or the other since it's all a great whacking load of shit anyway.

(August 24, 2017 at 12:03 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(August 23, 2017 at 1:05 am)Godscreated Wrote: You have no idea what I believe hell to be like. I do affirm that God created hell, who else has the power to do so. Sin is against the everlasting God and as long as the sin goes unforgiven the sin is in effect. Same as a life sentence we give to criminals, if they did not die they would remain in prison forever because the crime isn't paid for. Fortunately we have One who has made it possible for our sin to be forgiven.

GC

Actually, knowing that you're a Baptist, I do know quite a lot about what you believe hell to be like (it's not like Baptists got all secretive like the Mormons and Scientologists did). Your doctrine, in general if not the specifics of your pastor's takes on them, are all out there for the world to see and the Baptist view of hell is almost exclusively extra-biblical. "Paradise Lost" and Dante's "Divine Comedy" inform your view of hell a hell of a lot () more than your buy-bull. Of course, you could provide some scriptures describing that Baptist vision of hell? Or not. I really have no fucks to give one way or the other since it's all a great whacking load of shit anyway.

 Since you don't care there's no need to explain, but it's not what Baptist believe.

GC

(August 23, 2017 at 5:00 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  I do not want/need your pity nor disgust. I'm a much better human being because I have a relationship with God, I see more now than I ever did. I do not have a negative opinion as per deserving an eternal punishment, it's what will happen and I do not want to see anyone here finding themselves in hell. I'm sorry if you take my concern for your eternal life in any way other than a desire to help.

GC

Well, we all get things in life we don't want.  But we usually get what we deserve.

(August 22, 2017 at 11:21 pm)Godscreated Wrote: God doesn't torture so get over it...

A truly good deity would not create a hell.

A truly evil one would both create a hell and allow suffering to continue there eternally.  No amount of blaming the victim can excuse such a monstrous moral failure, and hypocrisy as well:  The agony of one mortal trapped in hell until the end of time infinitely surpasses the pain allegedly suffered by Jesus on the cross, yet it is for not accepting those comparatively insignificant three hours that the condemned mortal becomes the real sacrifice, the real martyr.

(August 24, 2017 at 12:20 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 24, 2017 at 12:03 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: Actually, knowing that you're a Baptist, I do know quite a lot about what you believe hell to be like (it's not like Baptists got all secretive like the Mormons and Scientologists did). Your doctrine, in general if not the specifics of your pastor's takes on them, are all out there for the world to see and the Baptist view of hell is almost exclusively extra-biblical. "Paradise Lost" and Dante's "Divine Comedy" inform your view of hell a hell of a lot () more than your buy-bull. Of course, you could provide some scriptures describing that Baptist vision of hell? Or not. I really have no fucks to give one way or the other since it's all a great whacking load of shit anyway.

 Since you don't care there's no need to explain, but it's not what Baptist believe.

GC

Care to respond to my other post? The one your ignoring.

LOL, wow, big shock, he's taking your invitation to decline to explain something. I thought you'd mention a 'no true Scotsmen' in there somewhere, if he wants to claim he's a rogue Baptist and doesn't believe in the common conceptions of whatever bullshit they're peddling.

(August 24, 2017 at 8:04 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(August 23, 2017 at 5:00 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  I do not want/need your pity nor disgust. I'm a much better human being because I have a relationship with God, I see more now than I ever did. I do not have a negative opinion as per deserving an eternal punishment, it's what will happen and I do not want to see anyone here finding themselves in hell. I'm sorry if you take my concern for your eternal life in any way other than a desire to help.

GC

Well, we all get things in life we don't want.  But we usually get what we deserve.

 Funny you should say the above, (bold by me). Because Christians do not get what we deserve, it comes through the grace of God alone. Now atheist according to God will get what they deserve and in the end they will not want it, they will want what they rejected and if they hadn't rejected Him would have gotten what they did not deserve.

GC

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(August 24, 2017 at 10:53 am)Astreja Wrote:

(August 22, 2017 at 11:21 pm)Godscreated Wrote: God doesn't torture so get over it...

A truly good deity would not create a hell.

A truly evil one would both create a hell and allow suffering to continue there eternally.  No amount of blaming the victim can excuse such a monstrous moral failure, and hypocrisy as well:  The agony of one mortal trapped in hell until the end of time infinitely surpasses the pain allegedly suffered by Jesus on the cross, yet it is for not accepting those comparatively insignificant three hours that the condemned mortal becomes the real sacrifice, the real martyr.

1) Why? Is it because it forces you to make a decision, forces you out of your comfort zone, that's only temporary. 
 
 2) Why? Justice has to be served for all and that in itself eliminates 'blaming the victim.' There is no hypocrisy on God's part and the moral failure is on humanity. God provided a way and those who do not choose to follow Jesus can not have their sins forgiven. How fair would it be for those who accepted Christ and are forgiven and then God forgive those who rejected Christ and fought against those who accepted Him. I'm going to say this until someone understands it, God is eternal and all sin that's committed is against His eternal nature and without forgiveness that sin will remain forever and thus the eternal punishment. It doesn't matter whether you agree with God, it's not your universe, your creation. God rules over all of it and His word is finial, there is no arguing your way out of it.

3) The bold above by me shows me you were never in the knowledge of what Christ actually did. You think Christ called out to the Father because He was in physical pain, rehash that thought. Jesus spent quite a bit of time being beaten by a whip that was as cruel as any devise ever invented by man to be used upon man, He never cried out once, even though His flesh was being stripped from His body. Have a try at it and see how long you would last. You should understand what Jesus was crying out about, if you ever do you might just see Him in the light that makes a difference in your life. When I realized it I was broken.

GC

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(August 24, 2017 at 11:13 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(August 24, 2017 at 12:20 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Since you don't care there's no need to explain, but it's not what Baptist believe.

GC

Care to respond to my other post? The one your ignoring.

 I believe I answered all your post to me, if you do not think so and apparently you don't the tell me which one it is, thanks.

GC

(August 24, 2017 at 4:40 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I believe I answered all your post to me, if you do not think so and apparently you don't the tell me which one it is, thanks.

GC

This post. While not directly addressed to you, I can't see how you missed the reference.

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On another note, do you believe your gawd will forgive people after he's tossed them into hell like so much rubbish into the incinerator?

(August 24, 2017 at 4:40 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Funny you should say the above, (bold by me). Because Christians do not get what we deserve, it comes through the grace of God alone. Now atheist according to God will get what they deserve and in the end they will not want it, they will want what they rejected and if they hadn't rejected Him would have gotten what they did not deserve.

GC

Christian justice at work, I suppose.  No wonder it's so easy to cheer for scapegoating, after having already bought in on -that- shit. The overarching theme of jesusism - cronyism pays, accountability does not.

Fundy christers must be absolutely wretched, to uniformly deserve damnation. Maybe they should keep believing big brother is watching, after all?

(August 24, 2017 at 11:22 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(August 24, 2017 at 4:40 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Funny you should say the above, (bold by me). Because Christians do not get what we deserve, it comes through the grace of God alone. Now atheist according to God will get what they deserve and in the end they will not want it, they will want what they rejected and if they hadn't rejected Him would have gotten what they did not deserve.

GC

Christian justice at work, I suppose.  No wonder it's so easy to cheer for scapegoating, after having already bought in on -that- shit.  The overarching theme of jesusism - cronyism pays, accountability does not.

Fundy christers must be absolutely wretched, to uniformly deserve damnation.  Maybe they should keep believing big brother is watching, after all?

Yet more proof that it should be literally impossible to do anything but worship Yahweh out of abject fear and not an ounce of love at all. That takes serious mental deterioration to achieve the latter. Case in point.