(September 1, 2017 at 3:41 pm)Astreja Wrote:(September 1, 2017 at 12:45 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Your belief doesn't mean much, the reality is God exists and is worthy of worship.
Unsupported assertion. No evidence for your god, and even if it did exist I wouldn't worship the blighter.
You seem to be running out of new answers, I'm starting to see some of the same statements from you. I have evidence and so I know He is worthy of worship.
Quote:Almost certainty means you do not know, I do because my soul communicates with God.
Asterja Wrote:One nonexistent thing cannot communicate with another nonexistent thing.
You need to show that one or neither exist, you are making a statement from uncertainty.
Quote:Are you saying that the atheist that have spiritual encounters with nature are just imagining they had some sort of experience?
Astreja Wrote:No; what I'm saying is that that kind of experience is generated by the physical brain, with no connection to anything supernatural.
Well on my part I would rather have spiritual encounters with the One who created that that others find worth worship.
Quote:I fully understand facts and truth, they are a part of my daily life. I've been trusted by others with important things and they have come back and asked me to do others and that's all that really matters to me.
Astreja Wrote:Yet you consistently drop the ball when talking about your imaginary friend, spouting all manner of silly things that bear no relation to reality. That phenomenon is known as "compartmentalization." Perhaps others trust you. I do not.
Fine if that's how you want it, then why continue a conversation with me. I haven't dropped the ball, you have failed to catch the ball, you let it fall to the groung because you are afraid to examine what it contains.
Quote:I'm not trying to convert them that job belongs to God. I give out the of God's word and then it's up to them. It's not for me to know the results of God's work through me, the important thing is He does His work and I'm blessed to be chosen by the creator of the universe to be involved.
Astreja Wrote:I believe that you chose yourself for that mission.
Nope. I was chosen by God as all Christians are to spread the good word about Jesus.
Quote:Bible colleges are institutions of higher learning.
Astreja Wrote:Yet your purported knowledge of science falls far short of what I knew in grade 8, and is but a smudge on the floor compared to what I know 46 years later.
You seem to have been taught to simply reject anything that disagrees with the Bible, which is no education at all.
I doubt your 8th grade knowledge is anywhere near what I know now. And no one told me to reject the science that goes against the Bible that comes by way of understanding both can't be right and I choose to side with the God who created all things.
Quote:Have you taken the time to study what you call "ridiculous apologetics"?
Astreja Wrote:I've given them the time they deserve -- which is very, very little.
I'm not like you in that way I still learn about what evolutionary sciences teach, helps me to better understand both sides of the issues.
Quote:I do believe in a young earth, it could be a little older than 6000 years but not a great deal.
Astreja Wrote:I believe that the earth is close to 5 billion years old, and this is borne out by radiometric dating of very old rocks. In fact, if you put me in a geology lab and gave me a mass spectrometer, a rock crusher and a morning's worth of instruction, I could probably duplicate those experiments in the afternoon. Can you say the same?
Rocks can't be dated especially with any accuracy. You would be duplicating a task that has no truth in dating rocks. Probably not, but through science I can fix your air conditioner.
Quote:I didn't know you were vulnerable, sorry to scare you. I bring up hell and it's horror when it enters the conversation and I would be dishonest not to inform others of what I know.
Astreja Wrote:No, I'm not the vulnerable one. I'm doing this to protect people who are vulnerable. It is one of my wishes that frightening children with tales of hellfire is one day treated as a felony, with jail time for anyone convicted of the crime.
You do come across as insufferably rude when you "warn" us of hell. Suffice to say you will never get invited to any parties at my place, as my guests deserve better entertainment.
Did they ask you to? Maybe they would like to be informed and by the way who are you to say who is and isn't vulnerable. It's okay for you to spread evolution to small children who are impressionable, yet you would deny a parent the right to teach their children what they believe is important to their children's lives, how tyrannical of you. Most Southern Baptist Churches do not teach about hell until children are older.
If I were invited to one of your parties I wouldn't even speak of religion unless asked, there are many other things I am quite comfortable talking about and i'm sure your other guest would find me at least somewhat interesting. You think I'm rude about hell because it scares the .... out of you. I would rather see people come to Christ because they want to have a loving relationship with Him. Here one can't get away from the subject of hell because so many of the atheist seem infatuated with it.
Quote:God is real and your disbelief can not change that. "Jail break" that's illegal. "Aiding and abetting" that's illegal.
Astreja Wrote:False imprisonment is also illegal, as is torture.
True, very true. However those who choose hell are there by choice, their judgment of their sins will show why they will be punished. Doesn't matter how much you object to the judgment, punishment and hell it is a reality you can do nothing about, unless you want to escape it.
Quote:Really, much of the law today is based from the book you think is worthless.
Astreja Wrote:Nothing in, say, the Canadian criminal code prohibits adultery, or worship of graven images, or disrespecting one's parents, or coveting the neighbour's car, or eating bacon, or working on the Sabbath; neither is there any obligation in secular law for women to make offerings at a synagogue after their menstrual periods. Civilized nations are moving away from that kind of sectarian silliness.
You know that wasn't what I was talking about. Naming some of the old Jewish laws that are not part of Christianity shows your ignorance of the scriptures. For those things you named from the Ten Commandments, they are of good use in a society. No adultery would mean less divorce with better family relations and children growing up in two parent homes. Less coveting means people are paying more attention to their own lives and living within their means instead of going crazy in debt, filing bankruptcy that cost everyone, even those of us who pay all debt back responsibly, less stealing to. God made the Sabbath for man and if all would abide by it people could get rest from a weeks labor, meaning less stressed out people and more productive, this is at the very least. Civilized people would be better off if they were to obey those commandments.
Astreja Wrote:Every culture that has survived to the present day has done so because the people recognized that theft, murder and lying hurt other members of the culture. No gods were needed to teach that lesson; humans knew those things were bad already, long before the Bible was written. Gods were invented to enforce village laws through fear, not to create the laws.
God gave the first laws and condemned the first murder, they may have only been written down years later but they first came from God, why, because He planted those within our being (soul). Evolutionary science has no answer for where our moral values came from, it lacks in many areas.
Quote:You will be wrong {about GC not getting a new body after death}.
Astreja Wrote:Medical science says otherwise.
Medical science no longer recognizes God unfortunately, but it is His power that that over rides all the things people think they know. I will have a new body, perfect at that.
Quote:I'm telling you the facts, you can see them anyway you want and you can hold me responsible till the end of time, it changes nothing. What is to come is as real as we are. I'm trying to help you to avoid this hell and then you wish such on me, shame on you. Besides I have a wonderful Christian family that will be in heaven with me. I mean only good for you, by the way have a wonderful weekend.
Astreja Wrote:No, not a single member of your family will ever get to heaven. Ever.
Wrong and I hope you will be joining us.
Astreja Wrote:I feel no shame about the seiðr that I have spoken upon you. I see it as a necessary evil to liberate you from your ghastly superstitions, and I fully accept any consequences of my action. May the nightmares intensify with the passing of days and months and utterly crush your faith beyond any hope of restoration, so that you can lead your family into the light of reality.
I have no superstitions, those are for the ones who do not believe in the living God. There are no real consequences to that kind of action unless you have compassion for others. No chance of that, we are fully committed to God through Jesus, we have been secured for Him through grace and our protection is guaranteed by the creator of the universe.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.