Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?

[Godscreated]

it's nothing you would accept, but then it wasn't meant for you anyway.

Of course since Bible reads like instruction manual for achieving a divided, angry, and violent world. It does not appear to be a recipe for peace and unity. It is a very miserable message from a god, since it was able to convince only a minority of people.

 Jesus told us to love our neighbors as ourselves, this in itself would do away with any hatred in the world, so you're wrong about what the Bible teaches.

GC

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Wow someone got their shorts in a knot, calm down it's not the end of the world, yet. Evolution has been redefined so many times one could hardly keep up with it and most of that redefinition has come because of the work of scientist outside the belief of evolution. No one has ever seen anything change from one type to another, ever. I've seen all that stuff evolutionary science claims and all those things are still the same thing except for some loss of information in DNA. Why is that so hard for you to see.

I'm not sure why you'd say that, again, after having gotten examples of it in this thread, not but a few posts back.  Yes, we have observed speciation in the lab and in nature.  We've even observed the evolution of a new -genera-.....which is a fair few steps "up" the ladder from your weasel words "kind" and "type".

If your rejection of evolutionary biology hinges upon this retarded and oft repeated statement being true than your rejection of evolutionary biology is groundless.  What you thought had never happened, has happened quite alot.  So, incorporate that, stop lying about evolution, and come up with a new excuse.  Similarly, what you think must happen for evolution to be true, has nothing to do with evolution, so stop lying about evolution...and come up with a new excuse.

 Wrong, no new info can be added to DNA, so no new creature. Speciation is only a change in a type to adjust to environmental changes and that is a result of loss of information or it was turned off in favor of something more advantageous already present in the DNA, no new info is added.

GC

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You know, I'm not even going to attempt to parse the rest of the willful ignorance in your last reply to me. I'll let it all stand on it's ow (lack of) merits.

I asked you if anyone had ever told you that God saves in His time and that you might have been outside His timing. God isn't going to give you an invitation until you are ready. That's why I also asked you if you knew what omnipresence meant as applied to God, another question you did not answer. Now I know that's two questions but it shouldn't take all that much effort to give me an answer to them. 

Do you have any fucking idea how many different variations I've heard about how your gawd "saves," all from people just as certain as you that their version is the absolute word of gawd truth? The same with omnipresence. Now, I know you're gonna want to argue that your absolute word of gawd truth is even truthier than their absolute word of gawd truth. Please, spare me. You have no evidence. You have no facts. You have no knowledge. You don't even have your gawd's words, but the words of men being passed off as the words of your gawd.

It's really very simple GC. I tried to get in communion with your gawd. It answered with nothing. Nada, nil, zilch, absolutely fuck-all. You want me to believe the timing wasn't right? I say bullshit. If your omniscient gawd wanted me, it would have known the timing would never be better. Still the answer was a complete and utter lack of answer, so quit trying to sell me. I'm not falling for the con.

God would not have left you hanging if He had called you. More than likely you were afraid of hell and wanted to avoid it and jumped the gun on God, either that or you were not listening. If you thought there was going to be this big exciting emotional thing going on... well it doesn't happen to everyone, I know because it wasn't part of my experience.
If you're over discussing this with me then I want try any more, you've been shown and now it's all up to you.

GC

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Godscreated wrote:

The Holy Spirit speaks to everyone's soul to convict them of their sin, doesn't matter if people do/don't believe it. This is God calling to us to repent and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. I'm not familiar with much of the Mormon belief about the Holy Spirit, maybe you will share a bit of that with me.

GC

From wiki (as good as anything that attempts to explain Mormon befuddlement)

In orthodox Mormonism, the term God generally refers to the biblical God the Father, whom Mormons sometimes call Elohim, and the term Godhead refers to a council of three distinct divine persons consisting of God the Father, Jesus (his firstborn Son, whom Mormons sometimes call Jehovah), and the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit). Mormons believe that the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are three distinct beings, and that the Father and Jesus have perfected, glorified, physical bodies, while the Holy Ghost is a spirit without a physical body.[1] Mormons also believe that there are other gods and goddesses outside of the Godhead, such as a Heavenly Mother who is the wife of God the Father, and that faithful Mormons may attain godhood in the afterlife.[2]
This conception differs from the traditional Christian Trinity in several ways, one of which is that Mormonism has not adopted or continued the doctrine that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are of the same substance or being. Also, Mormonism teaches that the intelligence dwelling in each human is coeternal with God.[3] While Mormons use the term omnipotent to describe God, and regard him as the creator, they do not understand him as having absolutely unlimited power, and do not teach that he is the ex nihilo creator of all things.[4] The Mormon conception of God also differs substantially from the Jewish tradition of ethical monotheism in which elohim (אֱלֹהִים) is a completely different conception.
This description of God represents the Mormon orthodoxy, formalized in 1915 based on earlier teachings.

 Their belief came from a man of very objectionable character and they put the book of Mormon before the Bible, most only carry the Bible so they will be accepted by others, Christians and anyone else. 
The trinity is three persons in One, meaning that the three, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are of one completely like mind. God referred to Himself as we in the 3rd chapter of Genesis after the fall of Adam and Eve. 
God the Son is not just the first born, He has always been, Jesus himself made that statement. The first born refers to Jesus being born as a man. 
Of coarse the Mormons would say that God isn't omnipotent, for if they were to believe He was then they know they could never become gods themselves.

GC

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I think that you mean to ask whether or not speciation has been observed, ofc.... it has been.  Here are nine examples, more than you requested, limited just to plants.  Enjoy.

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5.1.1.1 Evening Primrose (Oenothera gigas)
While studying the genetics of the evening primrose, Oenothera lamarckiana, de Vries (1905) found an unusual variant among his plants. O. lamarckiana has a chromosome number of 2N = 14. The variant had a chromosome number of 2N = 28. He found that he was unable to breed this variant with O. lamarckiana. He named this new species O. gigas.
5.1.1.2 Kew Primrose (Primula kewensis)
Digby (1912) crossed the primrose species Primula verticillata and P. floribunda to produce a sterile hybrid. Polyploidization occurred in a few of these plants to produce fertile offspring. The new species was named P. kewensis. Newton and Pellew (1929) note that spontaneous hybrids of P. verticillata and P. floribunda set tetraploid seed on at least three occasions. These happened in 1905, 1923 and 1926.
5.1.1.3 Tragopogon
Owenby (1950) demonstrated that two species in this genus were produced by polyploidization from hybrids. He showed that Tragopogon miscellus found in a colony in Moscow, Idaho was produced by hybridization of T. dubius and T. pratensis. He also showed that T. mirus found in a colony near Pullman, Washington was produced by hybridization of T. dubius and T. porrifolius. Evidence from chloroplast DNA suggests that T. mirus has originated independently by hybridization in eastern Washington and western Idaho at least three times (Soltis and Soltis 1989). The same study also shows multiple origins for T. micellus.
5.1.1.4 Raphanobrassica
The Russian cytologist Karpchenko (1927, 1928) crossed the radish, Raphanus sativus, with the cabbage, Brassica oleracea. Despite the fact that the plants were in different genera, he got a sterile hybrid. Some unreduced gametes were formed in the hybrids. This allowed for the production of seed. Plants grown from the seeds were interfertile with each other. They were not interfertile with either parental species. Unfortunately the new plant (genus Raphanobrassica) had the foliage of a radish and the root of a cabbage.
5.1.1.5 Hemp Nettle (Galeopsis tetrahit)
A species of hemp nettle, Galeopsis tetrahit, was hypothesized to be the result of a natural hybridization of two other species, G. pubescens and G. speciosa (Muntzing 1932). The two species were crossed. The hybrids matched G. tetrahit in both visible features and chromosome morphology.
5.1.1.6 Madia citrigracilis
Along similar lines, Clausen et al. (1945) hypothesized that Madia citrigracilis was a hexaploid hybrid of M. gracilis and M. citriodora As evidence they noted that the species have gametic chromosome numbers of n = 24, 16 and 8 respectively. Crossing M. gracilis and M. citriodora resulted in a highly sterile triploid with n = 24. The chromosomes formed almost no bivalents during meiosis. Artificially doubling the chromosome number using colchecine produced a hexaploid hybrid which closely resembled M. citrigracilis and was fertile.
5.1.1.7 Brassica
Frandsen (1943, 1947) was able to do this same sort of recreation of species in the genus Brassica (cabbage, etc.). His experiments showed that B. carinata (n = 17) may be recreated by hybridizing B. nigra (n = 8) and B. oleracea, B. juncea (n = 18) may be recreated by hybridizing B. nigra and B. campestris (n = 10), and B. napus (n = 19) may be recreated by hybridizing B. oleracea and B. campestris.
5.1.1.8 Maidenhair Fern (Adiantum pedatum)
Rabe and Haufler (1992) found a naturally occurring diploid sporophyte of maidenhair fern which produced unreduced (2N) spores. These spores resulted from a failure of the paired chromosomes to dissociate during the first division of meiosis. The spores germinated normally and grew into diploid gametophytes. These did not appear to produce antheridia. Nonetheless, a subsequent generation of tetraploid sporophytes was produced. When grown in the lab, the tetraploid sporophytes appear to be less vigorous than the normal diploid sporophytes. The 4N individuals were found near Baldwin City, Kansas.
5.1.1.9 Woodsia Fern (Woodsia abbeae)
Woodsia abbeae was described as a hybrid of W. cathcariana and W. ilvensis (Butters 1941). Plants of this hybrid normally produce abortive sporangia containing inviable spores. In 1944 Butters found a W. abbeae plant near Grand Portage, Minn. that had one fertile frond (Butters and Tryon 1948). The apical portion of this frond had fertile sporangia. Spores from this frond germinated and grew into prothallia. About six months after germination sporophytes were produced. They survived for about one year. Based on cytological evidence, Butters and Tryon concluded that the frond that produced the viable spores had gone tetraploid. They made no statement as to whether the sporophytes grown produced viable spores..  

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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

The rest opf that page is a wealth of information that, as a committed creatard, you will not be familiar with...but everytime you huff and puff like you did above you make a liar of yourself, of christ, and you make a joke of your one true faith.

Gratz.

 None of that shows anything other than lost information, no plant became a totally different plant now did it.

GC