last time I made a "scout" thread..

[FatAndFaithless]

that what scouting is sport. it was a place where boys could develop and become men without having to work out their fragile egos in front of the opposite sex.

We (some of the less bigotted) can look at other cultures 'rights of passage' like the Spartan's method of bring up a child and at a certain age send him out to kill a wolf or a native american vision quest or even something as mudain as a bar-mitsva as a right of passage for a boy to become a young man. Use to be in this country, the basic skill set of the boy scouts was the same sort of ritual.

I worked with many who have had a defining moment where a man leaves the childish things behind and embrace manhood fully. Then there's this generation where soceity has produced the peter pan man child douche bag. the perfect mindless man child. men who do not know how to lead, men who do not know how to be direct. men who do not know how to work/have no work ethic.

I'm not saying scouting is the only way to manhood, but it was a big part of it for a great number of young men and even some of our presidents.

But scouting can still be those things for the boys. Including girls won't change that. There can be character building for both sexes, and it may be even more effective having the opposite sex around so you can learn about them and learn to interact with them -
how to treat women well if you're a guy and how to treat men well if you're a woman. Including girls won't take away from male character building. It will simply add another very important element to it, and give them the opportunity to put that into practice directly.

Well said.  I've heard Drich (and some others I've talked to about this) keep using phrases like "being a man" or "manhood" and imply that having girls there will somehow warp or defect it.  ...Isn't learning how to act around women and how to treat them as equals and appreciate their skills and values part of "being a man"?

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If people left the scouts because the leadership allowed gay scout masters, then good.  Those sorts of bigoted fucks aren't the kinds of people I'd want teaching my children anything.

And if the kids didn't want a gay scout master?

...Then they can leave the scouts.  Which according to you, they did.  Problem solved.