(October 21, 2017 at 11:51 pm)AFTT47 Wrote:(October 21, 2017 at 11:14 pm)emjay Wrote: ^^^ That's how I see it, and it's only society's judgment, as per the italics (my added), that gives it any stigma. So from my perspective, the blame for how homosexuals are treated is not in the definition... as development disorder (if it is) or whatever... but in society's judgment of that definition.
Yeah, I probably have a mental disorder myself: Asperger's Syndrome. It has something in common with homosexuality in that it hampers reproduction. I cannot stand the sound of a baby's cry - even on television. I'll plug my ears or leave the room to avoid it. A lot of other sounds have a similar effect on me but a baby's cry is the worse. On top of this, I just couldn't be bound by having to take care of a baby's every need. The total lack of parental instinct is definitely an abnormality and I would not take offense at it being called a "mental disorder" because it is IMO. It pretty much slides under the radar though because there is considerably less stigma on heterosexual men who have zero interest in being a father than there is on a homosexual man.
I think it depends a lot on what we mean by the word 'disorder'; I just basically mean a statistical deviation from the 'norm'... as it in something that is relatively rare among a population. But ultimately, in the case of homosexuality, IMO it makes very little difference to evolutionary fitness for purpose as it were; as a bisexual I'm perfectly capable of procreating if I so chose, but even if I was 100% gay, how many children does the average family have... one... two? And how many times does the average person have sex in their life? Considerably more than one or two, so the rest is just extra-curricular whatever your sexuality, in those terms. If I was 100% gay I'd still know exactly what what was required to have children, and by one means or another, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to get it up twice in my whole life for a woman, in order to have children. So this argument by some that it is unnatural falls flat on its face in light of the amount of time people actually do spend having reproductive sex as opposed to sex for love or pleasure.