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Islam; The religion like I see it (II)
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RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II)
SaStrike

Quote:if everyone is equal why is slavery OK? One line mentioned there literally says a free person is not equal to a slave. Contradictory to the equality being preached.


But in this verse, which orders Muslims to kill a soul for a soul:
Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
( 44 )   Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. and whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.
( 45 )   And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

And Muslims are ordered to believe in what was revealed before. The portions the Quran approves; though.
Back when slavery was a fact, slave lives were given value under Islam; and slaves who murder each other will get the same punishment as the free who do so.

Quote: Another sort of contradiction here is, you know Adam and Eve. They are supposed to be in the garden (as you mentioned the garden is heaven). Now if Satan had this conversation with Allah the quran mentions. Then how did he know about "the day of resurrection" (judgment day, which means earth and the whole "test" scenario had been proposed already) . How did Satan know about this, the first man has just been created? There wasnt even an earth or a woman yet?

Satan was from a race called "Jinn". They are created out of fire:


Quote:Sura 18, The Quran:
( 50 )   And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers as an exchange.

Earth was already created before the creation of Adam and Eve:


Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
( 30 )   And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."

Angels (including Satan who was one of them) already knew about humanity's arrival, and even pointed in the above verse to another race that inhabited earth before the creation of humanity. That race can be "Satan's" race; hence his racism and severe hate for humans.

"Adam" is not a reference to male's specifically. In another verse, God says that humans were one, that became two:

Quote:Sura 4, The Quran:
( 1 )   O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah, through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer.

Maybe Satan knew that all along. Jinn are probably advanced creatures that lived in our universe before a very long time; there's a whole Sura about them that reminds a lot with what people now say about aliens.

Quote:Probably many other contradictions too but do not have time to decipher the entire book.

I blame the reading style. The book is pretty big; 600 pages. Usually; verses are scattered, and personally I think this is for a reason: so people who are biased get lost and disbelieve. Every contradiction gets erased with further reading; that's why Muslims have been increasing so fast across the 1400 past years ago.

Quote: That's all the evidence you need. But no logical person would accept that as evidence. The only way is to brainwash it in very early when the brain isnt fully developed. The brain then grows and develops with these concepts being injected in. The unfortunate person's brain then tries its best to incorporate this nonsense into reality, since the pure sincerity that their teachers and parents are using, it just cant be a lie right? By the time the brain is fully developed it's too late and cowers at the mere thought of doubting (but not always, sometimes there is hope of logic and rationality breaking through).

Very logical people believed in this. They contributed to math, invented Algebra, introduced the recipe of alcohol, introduced coffee to the world, they shaped what the world of today looks like. Without Islam and what it turned the Middle East into; humanity would've still been clashing debating who should rule: King Edward the  Troll, or smelly Marry.
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Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by WinterHold - November 4, 2017 at 4:19 am
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by SaStrike - November 4, 2017 at 7:01 am
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by Cyberman - November 4, 2017 at 7:33 am
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by WinterHold - November 4, 2017 at 8:20 am
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by WinterHold - November 5, 2017 at 7:19 am
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by chimp3 - November 4, 2017 at 8:05 am
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by Brian37 - November 4, 2017 at 8:13 am
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by Cyberman - November 4, 2017 at 8:34 am
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by SaStrike - November 4, 2017 at 12:40 pm
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by WinterHold - November 5, 2017 at 7:56 am
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by Nay_Sayer - November 4, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by Cyberman - November 4, 2017 at 4:29 pm
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by Minimalist - November 4, 2017 at 1:38 pm
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by Brian37 - November 4, 2017 at 2:22 pm
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by Minimalist - November 4, 2017 at 2:44 pm
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by Brian37 - November 4, 2017 at 3:33 pm
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by Minimalist - November 4, 2017 at 7:33 pm
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by LuisDantas - November 5, 2017 at 7:44 am
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2017 at 4:40 pm
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by Cod - November 4, 2017 at 7:49 pm
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by WinterHold - November 5, 2017 at 5:00 pm
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by WinterHold - November 6, 2017 at 6:46 am
RE: Islam; The religion like I see it (II) - by Brian37 - November 6, 2017 at 10:32 am

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