(November 6, 2017 at 9:53 am)Khemikal Wrote:(November 6, 2017 at 9:37 am)pocaracas Wrote: You understand that, before guns arrive at the "used market" they must be new, right?Not in the US. We have so many guns that production of new guns i already..largely, an export market. They made a mint of the AR15 of late, due to the brilliance of the three gun marketing campaign. Remember that most of these guns will -never- be used in a crime, areas with the most guns statistically see lower rates of gun crime -and- gun death, and guns hold their value at floor for decades. There's no reason to suspect, in this situation, that making more guns or fewer guns will qualitatively increase or decrease crime. There are already enough guns in circulation to perpetuate gun crime indefinitely.
It seems far from possible to enforce any kind of control on the used goods market, so the best bet would be a generational struggle to close the tap upstream.
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(November 6, 2017 at 9:53 am)Khemikal Wrote:Quote:Well... yes they will become less lethal, as they age, rust and break.They're durable as shit.........most of my guns are older than me....one of them was made before the civil war.....
I agree with you that such practices should also be employed. Also.
Are they durable without some help?
If you didn't maintain them, would you feel comfortable shooting one?
(November 6, 2017 at 9:53 am)Khemikal Wrote:Quote:Your efforts are going for the largely uncontrollable P2P second hand market.A market that needs to be closed. There should always be a licensed dealer and a background check involved.
If there is a licensed dealer, then there's the possibility to add a registration to the old unregistered gun. I think this would make sense, even if it increases the price a bit.
(November 6, 2017 at 9:53 am)Khemikal Wrote:Quote:Any crime committed with that gun would ultimately be traced back to it's registered owner, and no one wants to be guilty of a crime committed by their old guns, do they?Americans have an aversion to government agents confiscating their things. You're familiar with our government, right? It's not an entirely unwarranted fear, lol.
Start now! Implement this, if it's not already in place. Confiscate and destroy any unregistered weapon.
I know.... but look at how well it worked in Australia a few years ago.
(November 6, 2017 at 9:53 am)Khemikal Wrote:Quote:While, at the same time, constraining the ease of access to new guns.Gun confiscations aren't a reality in a pre gun-ban US. Thems the breaks. State level registritation and registration requirements are already a thing. Buybacks and pos control are much more feasible, and produce the same effect. Trouble is..we couldn't afford to buy them all...so I say we start with the ones we keep confiscating from criminals..the ones we keep finding at crime scenes. 9mm's manufactured before '06. Then we can move on to the next category. Revolvers.......,
then the next....rifles, -amusingly, the only category in which "possession" is the major initiating offense, iow..felons who buy deer rifles.
then the next, shotguns,
then the next, "unknown types"
then the next, derringers (tiny pistols)
then the next, machine guns and assault rifles.
Notice...above, that homemade guns (unknown types) are better represented in trace data than the assualt rifles......I;m not saying we shouldn't do anything about assault rifles (the real ones and the ones that people think are assualt rifles)...I just find it amusing that a Home Depot Special get's higher placement in the trace.
I agree with a phasing out scheme like that, that relies on how often a particular type of weapon is found at crime scenes.
But, remember that, if nowadays most crimes are made with weapons that are 11 years old, then in 11 years from now you'll find that crimes are carried out with guns that are now new.... guns that are now being sold.