RE: Another mass shooting.....
November 6, 2017 at 2:21 pm
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2017 at 2:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 6, 2017 at 1:26 pm)wallym Wrote: The goal is (nearly) no guns. That's the actual endpoint.Or, you know, effective gun regulations that drastically reduce the numbers of people dead-by-gun.
Quote:We've seen it all over the world. 'No guns' is not 'marrying a horse.' I am not going beyond the actual objective to some hypothetical nonsense which is what slippery slope fallacy is. The goal is not a maximum of 5 kids killed per mass shooting at an elementary school. It's 0 shootings at elementary schools. You achieve this through the removal of guns. It's obvious. Australia and the UK figured it out with little difficulty.There would be greater difficulty here, but..if we got it down to..say, 5 people killed in a year from mass shootings...that;s a tenfold reduction in people dead from mass shootings a year....in texas alone....... (2015-45, 2016-39, 2017-57...thusfar, and we still have the holidays to go).
It's not exactly surprising that Texas is a problem state as outlined in trace data. Guns flow to other states from texas, they have no p2p restrictions..and they're in the top half of states as far as guns per captia...and that;s just what we know about. There's no registration requirement. They're an open carry state. A castle doctrine state. A stand your ground state. A civil immunity state. The ATF branch in Texas is overworked and understaffed, tasked primarily to combat gang violence..which is strange, because that's not who's shooting people or trafficking guns in Texas....but not given sufficient funding to do that anyway.
OFC, most gun deaths aren't mass shootings, but boy oh boy would it be nice to limit ourselves to five dead, per state, per year.
Quote:Currently, it's not feasible or politically expedient in the US. But that doesn't change the fact that is the objective for many, and that number is going to grow going forward.Strangely, the measures that are feasible and even on the books are the same ones the NRA and it's bought politicians in Texas campaign to defund or get stricken -from- the books.....
Quote:Now if I said "What's next, we can't have cars because you can kill someone with them?" That would be a slippery slope fallacy.I would say that we should license and register and insure them.......that there should be safety standards, in short, that we should regulate the shit out of them. Wonder of wonders, we do.
The reason that the NRA opposes gun control is that effective gun regulation would kill their ability to peddle influence and play kingmaker just as surely as a gun ban would. Their existence depends upon the gun debates existence. There is no gun debate if we're responsibly owning and regulating guns, just like there's no "car debate".
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