RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 5:50 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2017 at 5:53 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 7, 2017 at 5:39 pm)Mathilda Wrote: What is a moral fact?A fact relevant to whatever it is we're discussing when we discuss morality.
Quote:I am quite happy to admit to being wrong if you can tell me how the morality of an action can be determined without the use of brain based based personal feelings, tastes or opinions.I can't tell you how -anything- can be determined without the use of a brain based on personal feelings, tastes or opinions..Mathilda. I could certainly point out that everything you know is just as much the product of that as any moral fact of any matter I'd ever present to you, though. Either that;s a problem or it;s not. You don't get to decide that it's a problem for moral facts but not other facts.
Quote:Moral opinions and facts are not the same thing.Agreed, just tailoring my language to suit, and again asking you whether or not you have any opinions that correlate to or are based in facts? If you think that's even possible?
Quote:Objective facts are independent of any moral opinion I or anyone else will form. Nor do objective facts change because of the moral opinions that people have. Science wouldn't work otherwise.Sure, and a moral fact would be a fact which is true regardless of anyone's opinion of the matter. Let's say you think thing x is wrong and I don't. What does that change about thing x? Nada, right? Moral facts of a matter, objective morality itself, refers to facts of x..not your opinion or my opinion. Things that aren't altered or changed by our opinions of them.
For example, that homosexuality is wrong. That would be a subjective moral statement. An opinion. The "wrongness" of homosexuality dissipates as soon as you leave the presence of a person who believes as much. There's nothing about homosexuality, itself, that's objectively wrong.
Is the same true of rape? Is the same true of livestock processing? Is whatever you're referring to when you tell us that either thing is wrong something that will change if you leave the room, or if you held a different opinion on the matter?
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