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Dr. Craig contradiction.
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
(November 7, 2017 at 9:36 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Ok you explain what good and evil is

Good:  Conscious actions that minimize harm and maximize happiness.

Evil:  Conscious actions that cause harm to others.

A flower is not good.  A tornado is not evil.  Feeding hungry people or making someone smile is good.  Murder is evil.

Quote:It's funny how Atheists work with both paradigms saying you need God for goodness to be objective and evil to be objective, and say God is possible.

I'm not one of those atheists.  I believe that morality is subjective, not objective, and it doesn't matter whether or not it comes from a god because it would still  be subjective.

Quote:If you hold God is possible and you don't know, then you should admit you don't know the nature of good and evil, love and value, perception and judgment.

I think that gods are possible but so unlikely that they are more likely to be fiction.  I also believe that worshipping something I believe to be fictional would be a catastrophic waste of time.

Quote:If you knew for sure God doesn't exist, then prove it.

I do not "know for sure."  I am sure enough for my purposes.
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Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - March 30, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Minimalist - March 30, 2016 at 10:08 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - March 31, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by abaris - March 31, 2016 at 10:58 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Minimalist - March 31, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by athrock - March 31, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - March 31, 2016 at 6:34 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by athrock - March 31, 2016 at 7:32 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - March 31, 2016 at 7:35 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by athrock - April 1, 2016 at 2:37 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - April 1, 2016 at 10:38 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Whateverist - April 1, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by athrock - April 1, 2016 at 5:40 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Whateverist - April 2, 2016 at 1:38 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 31, 2016 at 6:48 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by JuliaL - April 1, 2016 at 3:25 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 3, 2017 at 10:54 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 3, 2017 at 11:39 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by athrock - April 1, 2016 at 5:34 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - April 1, 2016 at 10:51 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - April 1, 2016 at 11:18 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by JuliaL - April 1, 2016 at 11:27 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by SteveII - April 5, 2016 at 1:34 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - April 5, 2016 at 8:42 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 3:49 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by athrock - April 1, 2016 at 5:43 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 2, 2016 at 1:18 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 2, 2016 at 8:35 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - April 2, 2016 at 8:49 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 2, 2016 at 9:47 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - April 2, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 2, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 5, 2016 at 1:42 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 4:05 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by possibletarian - November 2, 2017 at 9:33 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Godscreated - November 3, 2017 at 12:58 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 3, 2017 at 8:24 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Godscreated - November 3, 2017 at 5:55 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 3, 2017 at 8:01 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Godscreated - November 3, 2017 at 9:44 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 4, 2017 at 11:10 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2017 at 9:52 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Godscreated - November 7, 2017 at 12:36 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 7, 2017 at 6:44 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cod - November 7, 2017 at 7:22 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 3, 2017 at 1:22 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Succubus - November 3, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by possibletarian - November 3, 2017 at 5:24 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Godscreated - November 3, 2017 at 5:19 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2017 at 5:33 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Godscreated - November 3, 2017 at 8:21 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by possibletarian - November 3, 2017 at 8:19 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 6, 2017 at 12:06 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 6, 2017 at 12:50 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 6, 2017 at 3:19 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - November 3, 2017 at 7:58 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cod - November 3, 2017 at 5:23 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - November 3, 2017 at 6:05 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - November 7, 2017 at 11:51 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Ravenshire - November 8, 2017 at 3:49 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by KevinM1 - November 7, 2017 at 11:52 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 7, 2017 at 9:02 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Astreja - November 7, 2017 at 9:17 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 7, 2017 at 9:21 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Astreja - November 7, 2017 at 9:26 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 7, 2017 at 10:52 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 8, 2017 at 10:40 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 7, 2017 at 9:36 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Astreja - November 7, 2017 at 9:54 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 7, 2017 at 11:22 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 8, 2017 at 6:46 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 8, 2017 at 1:23 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by downbeatplumb - November 8, 2017 at 2:47 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Succubus - November 8, 2017 at 3:59 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Astreja - November 8, 2017 at 4:18 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 8, 2017 at 4:25 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 8, 2017 at 11:28 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 9, 2017 at 8:07 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 9, 2017 at 9:07 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 10:13 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 10:46 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 10, 2017 at 11:12 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 10, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 11:46 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 10, 2017 at 11:50 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 10, 2017 at 11:58 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Astreja - November 10, 2017 at 12:19 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 10, 2017 at 12:21 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Astreja - November 10, 2017 at 2:12 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 10, 2017 at 12:29 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 10, 2017 at 2:01 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 2:27 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 2:44 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 2:48 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 3:00 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 3:38 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 3:49 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 4:06 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 4:22 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 10, 2017 at 4:26 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 4:37 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 4:50 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 10, 2017 at 4:57 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 5:03 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 4:29 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 13, 2017 at 3:24 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 1:42 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2017 at 12:48 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2017 at 9:13 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - November 10, 2017 at 12:19 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2017 at 12:20 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2017 at 12:23 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 10, 2017 at 12:23 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - November 10, 2017 at 12:25 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 10, 2017 at 12:26 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - November 10, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 10, 2017 at 12:39 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 10, 2017 at 4:12 pm

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