Dr. Craig contradiction.

[Cyberman]

They didn't "die for him". They were murdered. Come back once you have learned the difference.

[KevinM1]

Ah, Christian logic. The people murdered in that Texas church weren't martyrs, they were victims.

[Mystic]

Because, to admit that something is falsifiable means to admit that one is not 100% certain of it being true.  

Seriously? God can be disproven infinite ways but can only be proven one way, really, and that is through beautiful names. Goodness, morality, judgment, witness, perception, etc, all these are pointing to the name of God which reveals him in various degrees depending what is left of our light in the ugly muck of darkness.

Infinite ways to disprove God but there is only one way to know God, and the way to know God is through his name, and the chosen guides are his names.

Yet I say this and I know I am sure of God.

Go figure...redefine the rules of every word, take everything out of it's place, and argue from whatever angle you want rather than a statement from it's place.

One point in the perfect circle is wrong, and the whole things collapses from the foundations.

And Noah argued with his people for over a thousand years, and they had so much vision from his arguments, he would say "Do you not see God created seven skies on top of each other", that is they knew objective morality in detail to the extent they can separate into seven compartments of levels and stations, which all degrees as well within.

He argued with them and defined goodness to the extent they even knew the seven heavens it can ascend to, and the seven heavens the blessed water rains from, and saw all this, but denied him.

Despite all his high knowledge he imparted on them, they were stubborn.

William Craig has proven God in so many ways, stop being so stubborn. And the ways he has, all use his name and it is all elephant in the room thing, they are all pointing to the same proof.

[Astreja]

Seriously? God can be disproven infinite ways but can only be proven one way, really, and that is through beautiful names.

That's not proof.  That's not even evidence.  You can give beautiful names to anything, but that doesn't automatically make it beautiful -- or real.

[Mystic]

Seriously? God can be disproven infinite ways but can only be proven one way, really, and that is through beautiful names.

That's not proof.  That's not even evidence.  You can give beautiful names to anything, but that doesn't automatically make it beautiful -- or real.

I am saying name in a way that I have explained what I mean by that in so many other threads, where I have explained what I intend by this.

And God's names are a living mystic link and connection and signs onto God, the Messengers, the Prophets, and those who possess authority after he sealed the revelations from us.

Those who are morality and goodness connecting us all by fabrics of love.

They are the peace and tranquility as well, patience and serenity, love and knowledge, wisdom at any level.....and the darkness and shadows takes from this and that of the light, attributes itself to mask it's ugly essence, so beware of Satan trying to infest you with his spirit and making you doubt the spirit God calls you with and reminds you of him and his path through.

[Astreja]

That's not proof.  That's not even evidence.  You can give beautiful names to anything, but that doesn't automatically make it beautiful -- or real.

I am saying name in a way that I have explained what I mean by that in so many other threads, where I have explained what I intend by this.

But I do not accept  your explanations.  I know that you love your god.  I accept that you do.  What I reject is your idea of "proof."  To me, it's meaningless spiritual babbling and nothing more.

And God's names are a living mystic link and connection and signs onto God, the Messengers, the Prophets, and those who possess authority after he sealed the revelations from us.

Those who are morality and goodness connecting us all by fabrics of love.

They are the peace and tranquility as well, patience and serenity, love and knowledge, wisdom at any level.....and the darkness and shadows takes from this and that of the light, attributes itself to mask it's ugly essence, so beware of Satan trying to infest you with his spirit and making you doubt the spirit God calls you with and reminds you of him and his path through.

^^^ See what I mean?  There you go again, talking about your god and about Satan as if they were real, and all I see is fictional characters.  You haven't given me anything that's even remotely close to *my* evidentiary standard.

[Mystic]

Ok you explain what good and evil is. IT's funny how Atheists work with both paradigms saying you need God for goodness to be objective and evil to be objective, and say God is possible.

If you hold God is possible and you don't know, then you should admit you don't know the nature of good and evil, love and value, perception and judgment.

If you knew for sure God doesn't exist, then prove it.

You guys say you don't know but then don't want to know anything beyond what you don't know, but just insist we all don't know.

Perhaps not all of us were satisfied with ignorance?

[Astreja]

Ok you explain what good and evil is

Good:  Conscious actions that minimize harm and maximize happiness.

Evil:  Conscious actions that cause harm to others.

A flower is not good.  A tornado is not evil.  Feeding hungry people or making someone smile is good.  Murder is evil.

It's funny how Atheists work with both paradigms saying you need God for goodness to be objective and evil to be objective, and say God is possible.

I'm not one of those atheists.  I believe that morality is subjective, not objective, and it doesn't matter whether or not it comes from a god because it would still  be subjective.

If you hold God is possible and you don't know, then you should admit you don't know the nature of good and evil, love and value, perception and judgment.

I think that gods are possible but so unlikely that they are more likely to be fiction.  I also believe that worshipping something I believe to be fictional would be a catastrophic waste of time.

If you knew for sure God doesn't exist, then prove it.

I do not "know for sure."  I am sure enough for my purposes.

[Jehanne]

Because, to admit that something is falsifiable means to admit that one is not 100% certain of it being true.  

Seriously? God can be disproven infinite ways but can only be proven one way, really, and that is through beautiful names. Goodness, morality, judgment, witness, perception, etc, all these are pointing to the name of God which reveals him in various degrees depending what is left of our light in the ugly muck of darkness.

Infinite ways to disprove God but there is only one way to know God, and the way to know God is through his name, and the chosen guides are his names.

Yet I say this and I know I am sure of God.

Go figure...redefine the rules of every word, take everything out of it's place, and argue from whatever angle you want rather than a statement from it's place.

One point in the perfect circle is wrong, and the whole things collapses from the foundations.

And Noah argued with his people for over a thousand years, and they had so much vision from his arguments, he would say "Do you not see God created seven skies on top of each other", that is they knew objective morality in detail to the extent they can separate into seven compartments of levels and stations, which all degrees as well within.

He argued with them and defined goodness to the extent they even knew the seven heavens it can ascend to, and the seven heavens the blessed water rains from, and saw all this, but denied him.

Despite all his high knowledge he imparted on them, they were stubborn.

William Craig has proven God in so many ways, stop being so stubborn. And the ways he has, all use his name and it is all elephant in the room thing, they are all pointing to the same proof.

That quote wasn't from me, by the way, but I agree with it 100%.

As for Craig, I think that his ideas are "so bad that they are not even wrong".  Are you a Christian now?  Or, are you a Muslim?

[RoadRunner79]

That quote wasn't from me, by the way, but I agree with it 100%.

As for Craig, I think that his ideas are "so bad that they are not even wrong"

I’ve been thinking the same thing about the OP. And frankly I’m a bit surprised that no one has said anything, that I had seen anyway! It was a necropost, so I was waiting for it to die again... but the bad logic and definitions are driving me nuts.