(December 1, 2017 at 2:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(December 1, 2017 at 12:04 am)Grandizer Wrote: Many theists argue that God is the most reasonable explanation for the universe because it doesn't make sense otherwise. If there is no God, then how can something physical like the universe come to be? According to them, there has to be some unphysical "power", unbounded by the laws of nature, that led to the existence of the physical. And they are convinced no other explanation is good enough to match the apparent plausibility of their own position.
I'd like to hear your theory/guess/explanation as to how the first ever physical thing came into existance.
Not the point CL, there is a HUGE difference between science and religion. All you are arguing is the same thing all other religions argue, "You don't know so my gap answer fills it."
Problem is we DO know. Not infinite vs finite, but the reality no matter what that cognition, especially NOT a super natural cognition, IS NOT REQUIRED.
Neither infinite or finite need a super hero as a gap answer. Humans are merely a finite outcome of a cosmic weather pattern, a blip.
How about you consider, that you like the idea of your hero filling the gap? Well that has been the case in all of human history worldwide. That does not say to me a super natural being is required as the ultimate starting point. That says to me humans are projecting their own qualities in comic book form.
You fail to consider life as finite, and a blip and a temporary outcome. Just like snow is finite, just like tornados are finite, just like hurricanes are finite, but the earth itself has a cycle that repeats that needs no help from Frosty The Snow Man, or Poseidon.
If you are going to make the naked assertion that a God existed, then if everything has a cause, then an even more complex God created your God, and an even more complex God created that God......ect ect ect ect ect ect. It is called the "problem with infinite regress".
But, if you are going to claim a God always existed, it would simply seem that it would be less complicated to say that "all this" existed without the cognition part.
I really don't care if there was something or nothing prior. What I do know is that a super hero comic book hero is not required either way. I lean to infinite but not caused by a cognition.
Just like if you walked down a snowy street and saw a snowman, you wouldn't assume it got there by itself, but that temporary humans made it in their image. Where as you know our planet is much older than our species and so is snow.
I don't know what happened before the singularity, the big bang. But that does not mean a comic book super hero is required to fill in that gap.