(December 1, 2017 at 4:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(December 1, 2017 at 4:04 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I don't believe in the first ever physical thing coming into existence. I thought I've made this clear several times.
But let me list two alternative explanations to God. And let's see how you logically rule them out. Remember, logic, not intuition.
One is the cosmos and everything in it has always been (this is what I personally believe). So no "coming into existence" out of literal nothing.
Another is there is one uncaused mindless cause in the cosmos that caused everything else in existence. Hammy, I believe, adheres to this option (correct me, Hammy, if mistaken).
Ok, so your theory/best guess is that the cosmos and everything in it has always been there. What exactly is "the cosmos"?
(I don't understand hammy's theory, but want to just focus on yours for now)
It's not a theory, first of all. It's just a proposition/belief, just like the God belief.
The cosmos is everything in existence aside from the divine (and the supernatural). It can comprise multiple universes, even infinite number of them, and other "natural" stuff that we have yet to even conceive of.
The cosmos is here, and as I argued in the OP, we can't have non-existence in place of it. Therefore, the cosmos has always been.
