RE: Arguments Against Creator God
December 1, 2017 at 10:58 pm
(This post was last modified: December 1, 2017 at 10:59 pm by Mystic.)
(December 1, 2017 at 12:04 am)Grandizer Wrote: The Impossibility of "Nothingness"
Quote:If the Creator God exists, then the Creator God supposedly created everything else in existence. This means that, when nothing other than God existed, there was only God, with "nothing" initially in place of everything else that existed (remember: the Creator God is supposed to be separate from everything else in existence). But for this "nothing" to exist, it has to be something. For to exist is to be. Yet, how can something that is not and yet is (simultaneously) be logical? It is not logical. Therefore, logically speaking, there has always been something alongside the Creator God. Therefore, the Creator God did not create everything else in existence. Therefore, the Creator God does not exist.
You bring an interesting point, while it disproves traditional concepts of God a lot of Theists hold, the truth is God is everything by being a witness to all things, and brings them to existence through his own life, nothing exists outside of him, everything depends on him but he know what nothing was in his knowledge, which is how he witness all things, through his knowledge of what he is not and what he is, and through these two (light and darkness) he created everything that is, and created all forms, for he is a witness to all things as far they point to God and as they are not him.
I hope we can discuss this in more details if you don't understand what I am saying.
And physical existence is not real, the true existence is spiritual, you can't define existence through five senses, it's stupid and irrational to do so, whatever exists, real existence, true life, that is absolute life, and everything else has life to degrees as they relate to it in intensity of their perception and luminosity.
God is all that exists, nothing exists outside of him.
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The Impossibility of "Something from Nothing"
Quote:If the Creator God exists, then the Creator God supposedly created everything else in existence out of nothing. But to create anything out of nothing (or for anything to pop up out of nothing, for that matter), there has to be a "nothing" out of which the thing being created (or popping out) arises. But even if we grant that "nothing" can exist (though I argued in the previous argument that it cannot), it possesses no material whatsoever from which anything can arise, for it is supposed to be nothing. Therefore, because things exist, they have at least originated in something that has always existed. The Creator God, being separate from everything else in existence, cannot be that material origin. Therefore, the Creator God cannot logically create anything out of nothing. Therefore, the Creator God did not create anything. Therefore, the Creator God does not exist.
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Dear, he created everything from his own witnessing vision of himself and non-existence, that is by knowledge of what he is, he knews what he is not, so you can say he created everything out of truth of what he is, and everything perishes save that which is directed towards God, his face.
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The Impossibility of Timeless Creation
Quote:If the Creator God exists, then the Creator God supposedly created time itself. But the act of creating, or doing anything for that matter, already implies a passage of time occurring. To create time is to create time within time. Therefore, time has always been and could not have been created. Therefore, the Creator God did not create time. Therefore, negating the classical definition of the Creator God, the Creator God does not exist (if the Creator God is supposed to create everything else in existence, including time).
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Light of time and eternity are related in that, time get's it's reality from eternity. Eternity is absolute foreverness, but time didn't always exist, and this has been proven many times on these boards.
The premise is right, it requires passage of time to create, but it also happens to be that his will is an act of creation with initializing time. So it happens together, creating and time, time doesn't need to proceed it.
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The Impossibility of Mindful Creation
Quote:If the Creator God exists, then the Creator God supposedly exercised the divine mind to "think" everything else into existence. To exercise the mind is to imply a passage of time. Otherwise, it would be a spontaneous mindless act. Yet, if we grant the possibility of timeless creation (and I have argued otherwise in the previous argument), then there was no time to exercise the mind before creation. Rather, the creation would be the outcome of something akin to some hypothetical "super computer software" that contains infinite information and acts spontaneously upon them. It is a mindless act, and not a mindful one. Therefore, the Creator God did not mindfully create anything into existence outside of time. Therefore, the mind is not a possible requirement for creating everything in existence aside from itself. Some things, at least, were mindlessly created. Therefore, the Creator God does not exist (as per the definition of the Creator God).
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See above.
