Arguments Against Creator God

[Catholic_Lady]

Well clearly I haven't always been here. So which part of the cosmos do you believe has always been here?

All of it, CL.  Think about it.  How could something come from nothing?  In order for that to happen, "nothing" would have to be some kind of some thing, that another thing could come from.  Nothing, by definition can't be any type of thing at all.  In other words, perhaps matter has always existed in some form.  What are your thoughts on that?

Oh I completely agree that something can't come from nothing. But I also know that things have a beginning and an end. We have no proof that anything in existance could either always have existed, or never have an end. In fact, we only have proof to the contrary.

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When we ask the question of how the first ever physical thing came into existence, there seems to be 3 possibilities:

1. It materialized from nothing

2. It always existed

3. A non physical force (not bound by the laws od physics) caused it to exist

We both agree the first option makes absolutely 0 sense. Things don't materialize from nothing. That's against science. Things all came from something... they all had a cause.

The second option, I don't see as possible either because of the same reasons as above, actually. Physical things aren't infinite. They all had a beginning and they all have an end.

The third option I find the most plausible. Since we already know that the laws of this physical world make options 1 and 2 impossible, it seems most resonable that whatever caused the first ever thing to exist was not of this world and thus not bound by the laws of this world.