(December 2, 2017 at 11:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(December 2, 2017 at 10:38 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: All of it, CL. Think about it. How could something come from nothing? In order for that to happen, "nothing" would have to be some kind of some thing, that another thing could come from. Nothing, by definition can't be any type of thing at all. In other words, perhaps matter has always existed in some form. What are your thoughts on that?
Oh I completely agree that something can't come from nothing. But I also know that things have a beginning and an end. We have no proof that anything in existance could either always have existed, or never have an end. In fact, we only have proof to the contrary.
When we ask the question of how the first ever physical thing came into existence, there seems to be 3 possibilities:
1. It materialized from nothing
2. It always existed
3. A non physical force (not bound by the laws od physics) caused it to exist
We both agree the first option makes absolutely 0 sense. Things don't materialize from nothing. That's against science. Things all came from something... they all had a cause.
The second option, I don't see as possible either because of the same reasons as above, actually. Physical things aren't infinite. They all had a beginning and they all have an end.
The third option I find the most plausible. Since we already know that the laws of this physical world make options 1 and 2 impossible, it seems most resonable that whatever caused the first ever thing to exist was not of this world and thus not bound by the laws of this world.
What about a 4th explanation, that it, like just about everything has an explanation that obeys the laws physics, but we just don't what the explanation is, because we're stuck on this rock a few billion years later, and the laws of physics are tricky as hell.
Time is not constant is the one that boggles my mind. There is nothing intuitive about it whatsoever. You sync a couple clocks, send one around the world on a plane, they won't be telling the same time when it gets back.
There are a few things like that I've come across in science. Things that intuitively seem impossible.
That's why when I look back at the origin of the universe I don't even bother trying to guess, because physics regularly behaves in ways that I would have assumed were impossible and certainly never would have conceived if someone really smart didn't figure out and tell me. And that's in the tiny speck of the current universe in our tiny little speck of time that we are in now and can often measure.
So I think breaking it down to something can't come from nothing, and everything has a beginning is selling what the universe and the laws of physics are capable of really really short.
