RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
December 20, 2017 at 1:52 pm
(This post was last modified: December 20, 2017 at 1:54 pm by possibletarian.)
(December 20, 2017 at 1:22 pm)SteveII Wrote:(December 20, 2017 at 12:51 pm)possibletarian Wrote: *Bold mine
The thing is it's your opinion that these claims are true, and are conclusions of arguments that by your own admission none of which are provable fact'
Surely you would agree that claims have to be proven to be true, I could claim there is an invisible yellow jelly baby who rules the moon, and if you only you had faith you too would believe, and as you cannot prove it not to be untrue then can I claim it rational ? I find it amazing that Christianity is relying more and more on ''you can't prove it's not true'' type of defence.
What exactly do you mean by "proven"? It seems there are different kinds of proof.
* Scientific proof
* Historical proof
* Logical proofs (both deductive and inductive)
* Proof resulting from personal experience
There also also different thresholds of proof:
* Possible
* More likely than not (preponderance of the evidence)
* Beyond reasonable doubt
* Absolute certainty
These lists result in 16 different combinations alone (and I'm sure I missed some). Notice that my list would consist of different combinations of these. What combination(s) do you think is the minimum necessary for a basic belief to be reasonable? See, that's the crux of this whole debate: proof is demanded but atheists typically use the wrong combination of kind/threshold or move the goalpost just enough so they can claim--"see, no proof".
Okey dokey lets go through them one by one then, and lets satisfy ourselves that we have reached a point where any of your claims is true, in regards to it being accumulative evidence.
1. Person of Jesus is compelling.
Why do you find this evidence, or proof ?
(December 20, 2017 at 1:26 pm)SteveII Wrote: I can show that anything on my list is "supported by demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument, and/[OR] valid/sound logic" -- according to an appropriate application of kind/threshold of proof mentioned in my post just above.
Sound logic to whom ?
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'