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Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
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RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?
(December 21, 2017 at 11:45 am)possibletarian Wrote:
(December 21, 2017 at 11:16 am)SteveII Wrote: I am not saying this is what makes a rational argument. I am saying that in addition to all the reasons that I have outlined here countless times why I believe that list, you cannot show they are false beliefs (or even likely to be false)--so they remain rationally justified beliefs. To say it another way, if you had a way to show they were false, yet I still believed them to be true, then they would not be rationally justified beliefs.

Define your threshold for likely to be false.

There exists a competing naturalistic theory that makes sense of the facts that indicates my belief could easily be wrong. 

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Quote:Bad parody. I can offer a hundred defeaters for Santa Claus existing. So, while a child's belief might be rationally justified in the absence of those, it will not be if I share them.

That was not the point, you can make up numerous scenarios for culminate evidence pointing to a completely incorrect result, especially given the person has collected the data themselves to only point in one direction.

You don't have a cumulative case of anything if there are reasons and evidence not to think the belief is true--but you are simply ignoring them. Most arguments against Christianity are not rebuttal arguments--they are more along the lines of "well...you haven't proved it".  

Quote:Just because you have come to that conclusion, and because you believe that your particular god has properties (like most gods) that cannot be 'unproven' then it must be true.

I am very interested in your definition of 'likely to be false' what on earth does that even mean ?

Further to what I was just saying, my cumulative case would break down if evidence was presented that made it clear that any grouping of my beliefs are likely to be false--which is a lower threshold than simply false

A good example: I don't think the earth was created in a literal 6 days. Why? Because I think that the evidence (scientific, exegetical, historical, etc.) shows that that belief is likely to be false. I don't think that my list contains beliefs that can be undercut like this.
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Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by MellisaClarke - December 18, 2017 at 6:31 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by ignoramus - December 18, 2017 at 6:42 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Anomalocaris - December 18, 2017 at 6:48 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by vorlon13 - December 18, 2017 at 8:09 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Whateverist - December 19, 2017 at 12:10 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by KevinM1 - December 19, 2017 at 12:26 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Grandizer - December 19, 2017 at 12:38 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Godscreated - December 19, 2017 at 2:24 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Grandizer - December 19, 2017 at 2:29 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - December 20, 2017 at 8:52 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 20, 2017 at 10:48 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - December 20, 2017 at 11:46 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Edwardo Piet - December 20, 2017 at 10:51 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Mister Agenda - December 20, 2017 at 11:43 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 20, 2017 at 11:53 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - December 20, 2017 at 12:01 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by drfuzzy - December 20, 2017 at 12:10 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Mister Agenda - December 20, 2017 at 12:00 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 20, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - December 20, 2017 at 12:38 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by RoadRunner79 - December 20, 2017 at 12:44 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 20, 2017 at 12:49 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by RoadRunner79 - December 20, 2017 at 1:28 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by possibletarian - December 20, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 20, 2017 at 1:22 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 20, 2017 at 2:22 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by KevinM1 - December 20, 2017 at 3:59 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 20, 2017 at 5:33 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by drfuzzy - December 21, 2017 at 11:59 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - December 21, 2017 at 4:52 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 21, 2017 at 5:01 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by drfuzzy - December 22, 2017 at 12:18 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 22, 2017 at 10:46 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Simon Moon - December 20, 2017 at 1:09 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 20, 2017 at 1:26 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 21, 2017 at 11:16 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Minimalist - December 20, 2017 at 1:11 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Minimalist - December 20, 2017 at 1:24 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by KevinM1 - December 20, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - December 20, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by John V - December 20, 2017 at 4:22 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by brewer - December 20, 2017 at 5:53 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by RoadRunner79 - December 20, 2017 at 5:12 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - December 20, 2017 at 5:56 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by possibletarian - December 21, 2017 at 11:45 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 21, 2017 at 4:49 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 21, 2017 at 9:00 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 23, 2017 at 7:04 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by possibletarian - December 23, 2017 at 10:10 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 26, 2017 at 9:49 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - December 26, 2017 at 10:14 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Abaddon_ire - December 27, 2017 at 4:48 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - December 25, 2017 at 10:37 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by JackRussell - December 21, 2017 at 5:16 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - December 21, 2017 at 5:29 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 21, 2017 at 5:30 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Silver - December 21, 2017 at 5:34 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - December 22, 2017 at 11:14 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - December 22, 2017 at 4:42 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 21, 2017 at 8:30 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 25, 2017 at 12:51 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Edwardo Piet - December 22, 2017 at 1:15 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Nay_Sayer - December 25, 2017 at 3:18 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - December 26, 2017 at 2:57 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by SteveII - December 26, 2017 at 8:09 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Abaddon_ire - December 27, 2017 at 10:12 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by KevinM1 - December 29, 2017 at 9:02 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by ShirkahnW - January 2, 2018 at 5:07 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by Brian37 - January 2, 2018 at 5:11 pm
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by KevinM1 - January 3, 2018 at 12:09 am
RE: Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air? - by ignoramus - January 3, 2018 at 6:28 am

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