Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?

[possibletarian]

Define your threshold for likely to be false.

There exists a competing naturalistic theory that makes sense of the facts that indicates my belief could easily be wrong. 

That was not the point, you can make up numerous scenarios for culminate evidence pointing to a completely incorrect result, especially given the person has collected the data themselves to only point in one direction.

You don't have a cumulative case of anything if there are reasons and evidence not to think the belief is true--but you are simply ignoring them. Most arguments against Christianity are not rebuttal arguments--they are more along the lines of "well...you haven't proved it".  

Just because you have come to that conclusion, and because you believe that your particular god has properties (like most gods) that cannot be 'unproven' then it must be true.

I am very interested in your definition of 'likely to be false' what on earth does that even mean ?

Further to what I was just saying, my cumulative case would break down if evidence was presented that made it clear that any grouping of my beliefs are likely to be false--which is a lower threshold than simply false. 

A good example: I don't think the earth was created in a literal 6 days. Why? Because I think that the evidence (scientific, exegetical, historical, etc.) shows that that belief is likely to be false. I don't think that my list contains beliefs that can be undercut like this.

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There exists a competing naturalistic theory that makes sense of the facts that indicates my belief could easily be wrong. 


You don't have a cumulative case of anything if there are reasons and evidence not to think the belief is true--but you are simply ignoring them. Most arguments against Christianity are not rebuttal arguments--they are more along the lines of "well...you haven't proved it".  


Further to what I was just saying, my cumulative case would break down if evidence was presented that made it clear that any grouping of my beliefs are likely to be false--which is a lower threshold than simply false. 

A good example: I don't think the earth was created in a literal 6 days. Why? Because I think that the evidence (scientific, exegetical, historical, etc.) shows that that belief is likely to be false. I don't think that my list contains beliefs that can be undercut like this.

What you seem to be saying Steve is that unless I can demonstrate what i don't believe you have provided evidence for to be false, then your default position wins. This is not how evidence usually works. Normally you make a claim, then provide sufficient evidence for that claim, it really is simple. You seem to be making a long winded god of the gaps argument with a bit of sparkle and noise to distract.

The difference here and the example above is that you have defined a god who cannot be evidenced in any empirical way,  in other words unfalsifiable (and therefore a faith statement) and then comparing it with falsifiable empirical evidence and presenting the two as comparable.

Effectively you are asking me to provide an empirical disclaimer to a non empirical unfalsifiable claim, then saying because I can't provide a naturalistic explanation that trumps your faith position, then faith wins.  I don't think I've ever seen such a confused presentation before.

As for the 'likely to be false' explanation, why not simply adopt a 'has met the burden of proof' it's much more positive, to adopt a 'not likely to be false' stance seems to open the doors to an extremely subjective low burden of proof.  Yes atheists do require proof, who wouldn't as with any claim if you can't provide any evidence or proof then expect people to be sceptical.

It's not as though we are trying to discover some nebulous strange scientific theory here, i did a quick search on majestic and descriptive names of your god there were over 1200, here's a few.

Lord of Hosts/Powers (Jehovah Sabaoth)
Lord our Maker
faithful God who does no wrong
A forgiving God
A fortress of salvation
A glorious crown
A jealous and avenging God
A Master in heaven A refuge for his people
A refuge for the needy in his distress
A refuge for the oppressed
A refuge for the poor
A sanctuary
A shade from the heat
A shelter from the storm
A source of strength
A stronghold in times of trouble
An ever present help in trouble
Architect and builder
Builder of everything
Commander of the Lord’s army
Creator of heaven and earth
Defender of widows
Eternal King
Father Father of compassion
Father of our spirits
Father of the heavenly lights
My helper
My hiding place
My hope
My light
My mighty rock
God who relents from sending calamity
God who sees (El-Roi)
Great and awesome God
Great and powerful God
Great, mighty, and awesome God
King of glory
King of heaven
Living and true God

And yet he seems to rely on shady sophistry from his followers in forums to prove his existence.. i mean really !!