Do Christians have faith in oxygen/air?

[Brian37]

No, none of these are "faith positions". They are reasons that I can defend with pages and pages of information and arguments. I never said this was a provable list (at least to the standard of proof where everyone who heard the whole argument behind the reason would have no choice but to believe). We have been going on of a couple of pages now discussing that my list is rational because I can defend it and there are no facts that contradict it. I have been very clear that I don't have proof. Please understand this point. 

Of course the claims of the NT are unfalsifiable, they are supernatural claims and by nature unfalsifiable, but Christianity is not alone here there are other religious characters like Mohamed, Joseph Smith  who claim miracles and special revelation. Do you for instance believe that Mohamed went to heaven on a winged horse, or that he spilt the moon in two, or that Joseph Smith was given special revelation from an angel, of course not.  They are outrageous claims that have no evidence and are not possible in the universe as we understand it, just like the NT.

No again. The NT consists of a series of claims that happened in the physical world. Rebuttal witnesses would be the simplest way to prove the claims are false. Therefore the series of claims contained in the NT are very much falsifiable. What is not falsifiable is the existence of the supernatural--when it interacts with the natural world, those interaction are certainly falsifiable. 

The NT and the claims of Mohammed and Joe Smith have nearly no similarities. One catalogs public events and witnessed by thousands over decades while the other two are events that happened to one person with no physical evidence. 

But just like you many Muslims and Mormons believe these things happened and will put your refusal of them to a lack of belief on your part, or claim that you require too much evidence, or not listening to the evidence they present (which i suspect like me you will find oddly unconvincing) It's basically your claims about atheists, you do exactly the same.

Like I said, the body of evidence for the Jesus' claims is not even comparable to the evidence of what went on on one man's head. 

That's the problem, Christians claim to be sure of their faith but don't admit it's faith and  often when cornered on a particular subject they go from rational argument to scripture and claim that 'it's not meant to be rational' or 'gods ways are not our ways' or perhaps 'foolishness to the Greek' and unless you can prove what I believe  is false then i will carry on believing it. The problem with that is it could cover literally any supernatural belief.

It could, but that is not what I have done at all. My faith is backed by evidence and reasoning. My list does not include any "just because" or "well, it's in the Bible" or even what keeps coming up: "I have no good reasons, but you can't prove otherwise". 

Reasons and evidence really are two different things, I for one don't doubt you believe your reasons any more than I doubt you are genuine in your faith.
 

Firstly I'm glad you are enjoying it, that's what discussions are for.

To say that by definition atheists don't find the evidence convincing is right, but when you make an incredible claim about an incredibly powerful, loving and interactive god who wants all men to be saved and his name and grace to be spread to the world.  and then your evidence for this mighty being is simply a few sentences of sophistry and a bold claim, you can perhaps see why people shake their heads. 

Well, that and the chronicled three years of Jesus' life, death and resurrection. 

Of course if the excuse is simply that you feel as if you have present enough evidence, and it's reasoned then I invite you to go test your claims at a university or scientific institution. But of course when your counter claim is that 'by definition you wont believe' then it matters not how little evidence , or even none, you can still walk away with your head held high.

But that clearly is faith.

I have heard every professional argument any atheist has ever made against Christianity and the rebuttal arguments.  You overestimate the atheist position and/or underestimate the Christian one. There are Christians in every field of study and in every endeavor of science--their beliefs are not a problem. You seem to want to make this a matter of "faith" without evidence/reasons. That is not what Christianity is. You may have encountered many that couldn't defend it and fell back on "faith", but that just means they were ill-equipped.

Heard? Maybe. Ignore out of narcissism and wishful thinking and circular reasoning, absolutely certainly.

13.8 billion year old universe, 4 billion year old planet in a universe with almost 2 trillion galaxies with hundreds of billions of suns each, and "all this" was put here for humans. Yea, ok. 

Hindus and Jews and Muslims and Buddhists ALSO think they got the right clubs too.