RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
December 30, 2017 at 7:36 am
(This post was last modified: December 30, 2017 at 7:40 am by Amarok.)
(December 30, 2017 at 6:59 am)pocaracas Wrote:I also point out that the rate of illegal abortions is fuzzy but the damage is evident . Legal abortions are safer bar none .(December 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So it seems that you agree, that it is wrong to kill these human beings. But because some people may try to take things upon themselves and cause further damage or death, it should be legal. Is this correct?
Correct.
(December 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You reason that this causes more deaths, but doesn't making abortion legal also cause many more deaths?
The statistics say that the number of abortions go down a few years after they're made legal.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/#PT
I only looked into the Portuguese and Italian cases... Traditionally Catholic countries.
But I'm pretty certain that the scenario repeats for most others.
(December 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I have trouble believing some of the numbers I hear for abortions, but they are staggering.
Too many... And many are teens.
With a flat out ban on abortions, those teens become lifelong parents.
(December 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Someone may be injured or die, trying to break into my house to steal my stuff. However I don't think that this is a reason to make it legal for them to take my stuff (people do it anyway). Nor am I saying that my stuff is worth more than their life by saying it should be illegal.
Lifelong parenthood makes this analogy a bit faulty, doesn't it?
(December 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Now if you want to talk about care that is needed by those who feel they have no choice.... I'm all for it. Educate them on what options are available, and make more available. Yes.
I don't think that finances are really a question, any more than if you are saying that they should be able to kill their toddler, because they cannot handle the burden anymore.
I believe that finances (or the perceived finances) still play a role in quite a few of the people who decide to abort.
As for support, I'm all for it too.
Education to minimize (or ideally eradicate) teen pregnancies. Clearly, whatever has been done in the bible belt states has worked against this, so maybe it's time to implement whatever has been working in Bangladesh, no?
Adults sometimes need to spend the final months of pregnancy without work, without stress, and off their feet. Who is going to keep their jobs like this?
And, after birth, in Europe it's common for the mother to have 3 months of paid leave. Some countries even stretch it out to a whole year. But, after that, if you want your job back... How can you expect it to be there for you, when you return? Not to mention daycare costs... If more than half your income goes into daycare, something's wrong, no?
Education, some people use it as contraception. Teach them what really happens and add a fee to each abortion... Perhaps one that rises exponentially with each abortion... All the while providing pamphlets and mini-courses on proper contraceptive methods. Make people take small tests and sign them to make sure they've learned something.
All the while not shunning those who still don't know, those who saw their contraceptive method fail, those who were raped, etc...
Quote:Someone may be injured or die, trying to break into my house to steal my stuff. However I don't think that this is a reason to make it legal for them to take my stuff (people do it anyway). Nor am I saying that my stuff is worth more than their life by saying it should be illegal.That analogy is not equitable to abortion
Quote:Now if you want to talk about care that is needed by those who feel they have no choice.... I'm all for it. Educate them on what options are available, and make more available. Yes.Of course finances are a question . And again this analogy is not the same as abortion . Seriously stop making analogies you suck at it .
I don't think that finances are really a question, any more than if you are saying that they should be able to kill their toddler, because they cannot handle the burden anymore.

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