(December 30, 2017 at 8:49 am)Brian37 Wrote:(December 30, 2017 at 5:08 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I'm sorry; Hamza Tzortzis , and Zakir Naik. My apologies to you; great gentlemen.
This is an honest deceleration, that both of you are far more educated than the filth they called themselves Muslims who talked me for years into hating you.
A note for the disgusting sectarian Muslims:
Sorry Hamza, and sorry Zakir. They turned me against you because they had nothing. Talked lies into my head because I was weak.
May God forgive me for breaking the verses above, and protect me from turning against good people.
atheists too have good people in their ranks. But when the sick hate; they brand others into their pawns. To attack those better than them.
What made me change my mind, is this intro by Hamza:
Atlass33,
God is not where your empathy and compassion comes from. I say the same thing to the Christians here too.
YOUR ability for compassion, and see the good in others, even those who hold different labels, is IN YOU, it is not being handed to you from above.
I see lots of good in even theists, many Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists. I simply don't agree that that good is coming from above, or from holy people, or old mythology. There are also atheists I don't see as moral or good.
I can value your human rights, but also say at the same time, while I may like you personally, I don't agree that our species behaviors, good or bad, are the result of anything divine or super natural.
I will ALWAYS value supporting ANYONE who seeks to protect human rights but that does not mean I agree as to where our behaviors are coming from.
If you value equality, if you value exhausting all diplomacy, if you value non violence, then as a fellow human being, I support you, but that does not mean I agree with every thing you might claim on any subject.
I despise war, I despise warmongers, I despise theocracies and dictators. I hate Bibi, but also the theocracies of Iran and Saudi Arabia. I hate 45 too. I value the empathy of the likes of Ann Frank, Martin Luther King Jr and Malala, but that does not mean I have to agree that a god is doing that, it just means I value their rights and common empathy.
Morals come first as I came to believe and think, then belief. But I totally think too that belief can protect somebody's moral state and increase it furthermore; a good society will be even better with belief. But yes. Stripping humans of will to do good or bad, means that God is playing with us like puppets; a very scary and illogical thought in my perspective. Yes; all of us have good in us from above, but the choice is ours to invest in which path.
I wish that all humans would just wait if they disagree on the matters of faith. I believe in God; you don't. Why start a bloody war for a conclusion we all know?
