(January 8, 2018 at 7:48 am)Grandizer Wrote:(January 8, 2018 at 7:29 am)Agnosty Wrote: Well, it's not just us, but it would be impossible to figure out by any being... including an omniscient god. How does that exist?
Let's first establish that it is possible that there be an omniscient god. Then we can worry about how such an unknowable reality exists.
Furthermore, even if there was an omniscient god, must it know the unknowable rather than just know all knowables?
That's not what I'm saying... I'm saying an omniscient god can't even know how the universe works, regardless if he exists. Whether he exists is inconsequential to the point. How can something exist that can't be known? How does something like that come into being? It's as if it had no cause... because if it had a cause, then it could be known.
Coin flips and lotteries are determined events because they're large in size and all outcomes are knowable, but on the quantum level, nothing is determined. In other words, why a particle is found here or there has no causal mechanism... it just happens that way. We have to figure that randomness won't lead to order because there is no mechanism for it, and if entropy means anything, it's that. Yet ordering is what we see and that ordering is why we exist. How does an ordered universe result from random noise? And how does it sustain itself that way for 14 billion years? It's just mindblowing... that's about all I'm saying.