(January 8, 2018 at 8:41 am)Agnosty Wrote: That's not what I'm saying... I'm saying an omniscient god can't even know how the universe works, regardless if he exists. Whether he exists is inconsequential to the point. How can something exist that can't be known? How does something like that come into being? It's as if it had no cause... because if it had a cause, then it could be known.
Ok, I'm confused about the insistence on such an objection. Is this based on something philosophers have a long history of arguing, or is this a personal objection of yours? If former, give me something to google, so I can understand better why the need for this objection.
Quote:Coin flips and lotteries are determined events because they're large in size and all outcomes are knowable, but on the quantum level, nothing is determined. In other words, why a particle is found here or there has no causal mechanism... it just happens that way. We have to figure that randomness won't lead to order because there is no mechanism for it, and if entropy means anything, it's that. Yet ordering is what we see and that ordering is why we exist. How does an ordered universe result from random noise? And how does it sustain itself that way for 14 billion years? It's just mindblowing... that's about all I'm saying.
That's assuming Copenhagen interpretation, no? What about deterministic ones, like the Many Worlds Interpretation?
