RE: A Book?
May 13, 2009 at 5:32 pm
(This post was last modified: May 13, 2009 at 5:58 pm by fr0d0.)
(May 13, 2009 at 11:10 am)Tiberius Wrote: Well as much as you seem to like following the "god of the gaps" argument, it doesn't impress me. This is a clear case of:
I don't entertain such an idea.
(May 13, 2009 at 11:10 am)Tiberius Wrote: Bible claimed X.
People believed X because Bible claimed X.
Science claimed Y.
People fight over X and Y and split into two groups, A and B.
People in A believe Y and say Bible was simply "misinterpreted" to seem like it was claiming X.
People in B believe X and say that science is all bullshit.
Luckily you aren't a member of group B fr0d0, but group A isn't anything to be proud of either. I prefer group C:
People in C accept Y because science > bible and people in groups A and B are just crazy.
Let me work that out as well...
People, A, observed X
Science, B, claimed Y
Some people, C, lost their way and thought X = Y
People still observed X, and also observed Y
Group C fought over X = Y
Groups A & B lived in peace observing X & Y
You Adrian, along with Creationist nut jobs, are in group C. How does that make you feel?
(May 13, 2009 at 11:56 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(May 9, 2009 at 6:04 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Evidence has been discounted unless you can counter the logic presented... that you'd need god like measuring tools to view the evidence. If you cannot counter this logic, then you can't keep repeating the evidence line. It's presently debunked.
... but I don't agree with this.
IOW I agree that your reasoning makes absolute sense to you but I don't agree that our line of questioning (of attack if you wish) is wrong or, indeed, that you can consider it "debunked" ... in essence you've made a claim (to view evidence for "God" you need the appropriate godlike tools) but that relies on the truth of God's existence which is far from proven or even accepted.
In essence it puts us right back at the extraordinary claim ... you've made one but you need extraordinary evidence to support the claim.
Kyu
Absolutely agreed. I stretched the idea to state that. You are correct.
@ EvF
Sorry m8 I find it hard to talk theory and then flick to examples. Every time I quote or refer to the Bible I'm taking about that reasoning.
