RE: Proof that God exists
January 14, 2018 at 12:00 pm
(This post was last modified: January 14, 2018 at 12:03 pm by Conspiracy_of_reason.)
(January 14, 2018 at 7:28 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Pure nonsense
Religion is what one uses a palm against reality . And is driven purely by emotionalism.
Science is a could calculated acceptance of the world as is . With no necessary emotional attachments to it .
To call science a matter of faith le alone one equivalent to religion is absurd . Even if religion had never been invented science would still drive progress forward . And even if we are to end in annihilation that takes nothing away from progress itself.
If one believes in religion then that is one's reality. Your statement seems to allude to some 'alternative' reality other than what is actually real for people, and let's face it, whether you agree with it or not religion is very real for all of us otherwise we would not be talking about it.
Science is a human endeavour, there is no Universal imperative that requires us to persue scientific study so to suggest it is in any way 'with no emotional attachments' is simply not true. If scientific study was truly disinterested you might have a point, but it isn't and can never be because it exists solely to serve humanity, it is in its very nature biased toward humans.
Science can tell us what happened in the past, it can make very acurate and detailed observations of history which we then use to predict the future, but it provides no proof of future events. That is to say we can guess that gravity will work tomorrow because it has done every day since observations began, but that doesn't mean it will be the same tomorrow and any belief that it will be the same is pure faith. It doesn't matter how small the margin of error is, it is still there and to deny the existance of this margin of error is an emotional, human reaction not a 'calculated acceptance'.
Anyone who claims to have a scientific analytical mind cannot invoke the concept of 'progress' without brteaying that idea instantly. Progress against what? What is the empirical scientific measure of progress? There isn't one, its an emotional human concept (it's Victorian in origin, fashioned out of cast-off Christian concepts) that has no place in modern science.
The poroblem you have is your faith in science and your belief in its absolute authority is based on the idea of 'progress' which is unscientific and that science can provide proof of the future, which it cannot.
I can see you think its absurd, which is fair enough but you'll need to address my points and provide a convincing counter-arguement, so far you have only provided an arguement made up of unsupported contradiction which is not really going to work. It's easy to say something is wrong but you have to back that up with coherent ideas and thoughts that provide a convincing arguement.
cor
(January 14, 2018 at 6:20 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I rather suspect the human drive is fueled more by a vast capacity for ignoring reality rather than any 'faith' in science.
Even if you ignore reality that is, by definition, your reality.
"We control the world basically because we are the only animals that can cooperate flexibly in very large numbers. We cooperate effectively with strangers because we believe in things like gods, nations, money and human rights. Yet none of these things exists outside the stories that people invent and tell one another. There are no gods in the universe, no nations, no money and no human rights—except in the common imagination of human beings. You can never convince a chimpanzee to give you a banana by promising him that after he dies, he will get limitless bananas in chimpanzee Heaven. Only Sapiens can believe such stories. This is why we rule the world, and chimpanzees are locked up in zoos and research laboratories."
Yuval Noah Harari
