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Proof that God exists
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RE: Proof that God exists
(January 14, 2018 at 8:19 pm)Conspiracy_of_reason Wrote: Yet we believe science tells us it is certain.

Empiricism comes with its own set of epistemological constraints--we can never have certain knowledge through empiricism.

If we believe what science tells us is certain, then we are wrong. Science provides a framework in which conclusions can be reached based on experimental data. Anyone who understands science knows that. As long as we keep observing the universe, new data can come to light which challenges our previous conclusions.

Again, science requires little faith on our part. If we misunderstand gravity, there are enterprising theoreticians and experimenters who make it their life's work to correct this misunderstanding. "We might have gotten gravity wrong," is something you hear physicists say in pop science literature. Contrast this with your statement: "Yet we believe science tells us it is certain." Science doesn't tell us it is certain. It tells us that this is the best empirical understanding we have at this point. Contrast with religion. Religion "tells us it is certain." That's why so many reject it.

On a side note, I noticed you flubbed your quotation of Khemikal above. (It happens with newcomers.) The link below will give you the basics of BB code so you can understand things (like how to quote segments of another post point by point instead of the whole thing etc.)

https://atheistforums.org/thread-3560.html
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Proof that God exists - by TheoneandonlytrueGod - December 11, 2017 at 5:53 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Neo-Scholastic - December 11, 2017 at 6:33 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by TheoneandonlytrueGod - December 13, 2017 at 10:11 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Catholic_Lady - December 13, 2017 at 11:04 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Minimalist - December 11, 2017 at 6:37 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - December 11, 2017 at 6:38 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by TheoneandonlytrueGod - December 11, 2017 at 11:07 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by brewer - December 11, 2017 at 11:01 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Valkyrie - December 11, 2017 at 11:11 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Catholic_Lady - December 12, 2017 at 12:26 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Dnte - December 12, 2017 at 12:32 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Fireball - December 12, 2017 at 12:35 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by c172 - December 12, 2017 at 12:35 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by ignoramus - December 12, 2017 at 2:51 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by SteveII - December 12, 2017 at 1:26 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by LastPoet - December 12, 2017 at 1:35 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Neo-Scholastic - December 12, 2017 at 8:21 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Edwardo Piet - December 12, 2017 at 4:02 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by vorlon13 - December 13, 2017 at 10:27 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by KittyAnn - December 13, 2017 at 2:47 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by ignoramus - December 13, 2017 at 11:29 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by ShirkahnW - December 27, 2017 at 6:48 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Fireball - December 27, 2017 at 11:00 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by ShirkahnW - December 28, 2017 at 5:14 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - December 27, 2017 at 9:46 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Whateverist - December 27, 2017 at 10:04 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Grandizer - December 28, 2017 at 12:20 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - December 28, 2017 at 7:52 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - December 30, 2017 at 11:43 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - December 30, 2017 at 1:56 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - December 31, 2017 at 11:05 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - December 31, 2017 at 2:40 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 1, 2018 at 12:24 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Whateverist - January 1, 2018 at 1:15 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 4, 2018 at 11:20 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Whateverist - January 5, 2018 at 1:36 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Brian37 - December 30, 2017 at 2:19 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by JackRussell - December 30, 2017 at 5:45 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 11:59 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 5, 2018 at 8:29 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 5, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 6, 2018 at 8:27 am
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RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 7, 2018 at 4:10 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 6, 2018 at 12:25 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 7, 2018 at 7:07 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2018 at 8:21 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 8, 2018 at 2:14 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2018 at 9:31 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 8, 2018 at 3:50 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Grandizer - January 8, 2018 at 4:35 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 8, 2018 at 7:29 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Grandizer - January 8, 2018 at 7:48 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 8, 2018 at 8:41 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Grandizer - January 8, 2018 at 8:48 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 8, 2018 at 10:32 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Grandizer - January 8, 2018 at 10:38 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 8, 2018 at 10:53 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 8, 2018 at 10:05 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 8, 2018 at 11:19 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 9, 2018 at 12:50 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2018 at 7:10 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 10, 2018 at 6:17 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - January 12, 2018 at 2:43 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 13, 2018 at 6:52 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by LadyForCamus - January 9, 2018 at 7:16 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2018 at 7:34 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - January 9, 2018 at 10:47 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 10, 2018 at 7:30 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by MysticKnight - January 11, 2018 at 6:35 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Grandizer - January 11, 2018 at 6:44 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Crossless2.0 - January 11, 2018 at 6:55 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Conspiracy_of_reason - January 14, 2018 at 1:19 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by vulcanlogician - January 14, 2018 at 1:44 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Conspiracy_of_reason - January 14, 2018 at 1:53 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 10:28 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Brian37 - January 15, 2018 at 10:49 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Angrboda - January 14, 2018 at 6:20 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Amarok - January 14, 2018 at 7:28 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Conspiracy_of_reason - January 14, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Amarok - January 14, 2018 at 1:03 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Conspiracy_of_reason - January 14, 2018 at 6:14 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by vulcanlogician - January 14, 2018 at 8:04 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 14, 2018 at 1:46 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Conspiracy_of_reason - January 14, 2018 at 8:19 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by vulcanlogician - January 14, 2018 at 9:34 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 10:56 am
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RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 2:23 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by downbeatplumb - January 15, 2018 at 2:49 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Conspiracy_of_reason - January 16, 2018 at 8:17 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by vulcanlogician - January 16, 2018 at 9:41 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Succubus - January 16, 2018 at 11:41 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by MysticKnight - January 14, 2018 at 1:56 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 14, 2018 at 11:25 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Conspiracy_of_reason - January 16, 2018 at 9:50 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by vulcanlogician - January 16, 2018 at 10:28 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by KevinM1 - January 16, 2018 at 11:13 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 11:57 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Amarok - January 15, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 12:13 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 12:25 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 12:34 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 1:00 pm
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RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 12:45 pm
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RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 1:02 pm
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RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 1:17 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 1:28 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 1:38 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 1:45 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 2:05 pm
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RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 2:35 pm
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RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 2:52 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - January 15, 2018 at 7:31 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by LadyForCamus - January 15, 2018 at 2:42 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by vulcanlogician - January 15, 2018 at 2:46 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 8:20 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by LadyForCamus - January 15, 2018 at 9:27 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Valkyrie - January 15, 2018 at 9:31 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Simon Moon - January 15, 2018 at 9:39 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by downbeatplumb - January 16, 2018 at 2:26 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 2:48 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by vulcanlogician - January 15, 2018 at 3:01 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 3:07 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 7:04 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Valkyrie - January 15, 2018 at 3:31 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 3:32 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Amarok - January 15, 2018 at 6:07 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 7:51 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Simon Moon - January 15, 2018 at 8:45 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 15, 2018 at 10:18 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Succubus - January 16, 2018 at 3:09 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Simon Moon - January 16, 2018 at 8:45 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by LadyForCamus - January 15, 2018 at 7:30 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by vulcanlogician - January 15, 2018 at 11:51 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by LadyForCamus - January 16, 2018 at 12:00 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 16, 2018 at 12:52 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by vulcanlogician - January 16, 2018 at 6:27 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Amarok - January 16, 2018 at 7:37 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 18, 2018 at 10:20 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - January 15, 2018 at 8:15 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 9:31 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 10:47 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by LadyForCamus - January 15, 2018 at 11:21 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Amarok - January 15, 2018 at 11:30 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 16, 2018 at 12:15 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 16, 2018 at 1:44 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - January 16, 2018 at 3:11 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by KevinM1 - January 16, 2018 at 3:14 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Valkyrie - January 16, 2018 at 3:21 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - January 16, 2018 at 5:07 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by KevinM1 - January 16, 2018 at 6:29 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 16, 2018 at 3:17 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Amarok - January 16, 2018 at 3:31 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by KevinM1 - January 16, 2018 at 4:59 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - January 16, 2018 at 6:32 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Angrboda - January 16, 2018 at 7:54 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Valkyrie - January 16, 2018 at 7:58 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Amarok - January 16, 2018 at 8:25 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 16, 2018 at 8:28 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Amarok - January 16, 2018 at 9:13 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Angrboda - January 17, 2018 at 12:20 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 17, 2018 at 12:30 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Amarok - January 17, 2018 at 5:49 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 17, 2018 at 5:51 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Amarok - January 17, 2018 at 8:49 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - January 17, 2018 at 9:00 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by KevinM1 - January 17, 2018 at 11:29 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by downbeatplumb - January 17, 2018 at 2:09 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by JackRussell - January 17, 2018 at 2:38 pm
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RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - January 17, 2018 at 4:54 pm
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RE: Proof that God exists - by SaStrike - January 18, 2018 at 10:43 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by Agnosty - January 18, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: Proof that God exists - by SaStrike - January 18, 2018 at 12:35 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - January 19, 2018 at 6:06 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Simon Moon - January 20, 2018 at 5:20 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by MysticKnight - January 20, 2018 at 6:06 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by polymath257 - January 20, 2018 at 6:42 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by KevinM1 - January 18, 2018 at 11:51 am
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RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - January 20, 2018 at 6:42 pm
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RE: Proof that God exists - by Simon Moon - January 20, 2018 at 8:32 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by Cyberman - January 20, 2018 at 7:11 pm
RE: Proof that God exists - by The Grand Nudger - January 23, 2018 at 11:42 pm

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