RE: Proof that God exists
January 15, 2018 at 10:56 am
(This post was last modified: January 15, 2018 at 11:01 am by Agnosty.)
(January 14, 2018 at 9:34 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Empiricism comes with its own set of epistemological constraints--we can never have certain knowledge through empiricism.All statements must be supported with empirical evidence; except this one
Quote:Science provides a framework in which conclusions can be reached based on experimental data.
Science also provides a framework for egoic and political competition where conclusions are reached based on what one wants to show. See: Climate Change, The War on Fat, Social constructs of race and sex, and... well, maybe the list would be shorter if I stated the exceptions, which are: ____________.
Quote:Again, science requires little faith on our part.
Appeal to authority is not faith? Why hire a scientist if we can't have faith in his professional opinion? When mom goes to the dr, I must have faith that someone in the sciences has done their job, which almost certainly they have not, hence all the lawsuits.
Quote:If we misunderstand gravity, there are enterprising theoreticians and experimenters who make it their life's work to correct this misunderstanding. "We might have gotten gravity wrong," is something you hear physicists say in pop science literature.No one has an invested interest in gravity. Who says, objectively, "We may have gotten Climate Change wrong."??? (Unless they're a climate denier where they have invested interest in saying that.) If any pro-CC scientist said CC may be wrong, he'd be fired immediately. In science, you either tow the line or get no funding.
Quote:Contrast this with your statement: "Yet we believe science tells us it is certain." Science doesn't tell us it is certain. It tells us that this is the best empirical understanding we have at this point. Contrast with religion. Religion "tells us it is certain." That's why so many reject it.Yes, true, but people believe science says things for certain whether it was the intention of science or not. See the topic on "Laws" a few pages back. And the fact that people have faith in science is harnessed for political gains.
(January 15, 2018 at 10:49 am)Brian37 Wrote: Um no, evolution DOES NOT claim to be random, that is the opposite of "natural selection".If not random, then it's teleological. Can't have it both ways.
Quote:And no, no faith required in scientific method.If you don't have faith in it, why use it?