RE: Proof that God exists
January 15, 2018 at 7:51 pm
(This post was last modified: January 15, 2018 at 8:10 pm by Agnosty.)
(January 15, 2018 at 6:07 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:Quote:Are there not other concepts of god that you have not considered? How can you be so sure? How can you be sure about what you have never considered? How can you be sure you've considered all possibilities?Conceptions of gods that have not been presented are of no concern to me . And are ultimately as baseless as gods that have been presented to me .
Paraphrasing: Conceptions of matter that have not been presented are of no concern to me . And are ultimately as baseless as matter that have been presented to me. Therefore you don't believe in dark matter because no one has any idea what it is.
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Quote:Quote:That demonstrates a narrow thinking. How do you know challenging atheism results in the consideration of fairies?Because justification wise both are equally as baseless
Huh?

Quote:Quote:Can you show atheism is true?Is there evidence demonstrating a god . No . Then atheism as the lack of propositional evidence of a god is true .
Awfully presumptuous and a bit arrogant to say evidence for god does not exist. All you can say is that evidence has not yet been presented to you. Or you could say that evidence has been presented, but you refused to see it as evidence. But to say it does not exist... that's illogical.
Quote:Oh yes, atheism is a belief. It's a preference and opinion. Show me how the conscious comes from the unconscious. You can't. And since you can't, it's a matter of preference to believe that it did. Atheists are almost certainly fervently hoping some rationale will come to light one day that will prove their preference, which is antipodal to searching for evidence to disprove their hypothesis.Quote:Who seeks to disprove their own theory? What atheist here is critical of his own belief?Anyone who is honest and wants to understand the world . Considering atheism is not a belief i can't challenge it as such. If you mean do i consider arguments from theists for theism yup that's why i read theistic literature .
Quote:Sure, fine, then it's teleological. Now what? Because... if it's teleological, the who planned it? (You're better off accepting randomness. Trust meQuote:Either genetic mutations are random or they're mutating along a determined path (ie plan).Nope evolution is constrained by chemistry and physics and biology thus is not random .
Either it is random or it is not.

Besides... John Bell proved randomness. http://www.askamathematician.com/2009/12...andomness/
Quote:A cat will not all turn into a bird evolution will permit this .

Quote:Something can be non random but also non planned . Non randomness has nothing to do with intents.Non-random is determined. If it's determined, then what determined it? If a bacteria mutated, not randomly, but according to determined events prior, then what deterministic mechanism allowed it to evolve to become antibiotic resistant? That outcome would have had to have been encoded in the big bang. And it would have been encoded before that (whatever came before that). In fact, it would have to go all the way back to the beginning of infinity, if it's all determined. But if it went to the beginning of infinity, then it took forever to get where we are. So how are we here? Has forever already past? That's all nonsense. It's much easier to accept random mutations and randomness in general.
Quote:Oh and excepting the clear evidence for evolution is not faith .Accepting anything is by faith.
(January 15, 2018 at 7:31 pm)Cyberman Wrote:No, that's agnosticism.(January 15, 2018 at 2:52 pm)Agnosty Wrote: Can you show atheism is true?Yes.
By virtue of the fact that atheism is the response to theism, specifically theistic claims, and thus the fact that those have not met their burden of proof, atheism is proven.
Theism - belief god(s) exist in absence of proof that god(s) exist.
Agnosticism - no belief, not sure what to believe.
Atheism - belief no gods exist in absence of proof that no gods exist.
Prove the last one.
You have no understanding how life could come from non-life, yet you believe it's possible with no demonstrable proof or rationale. (we've had that convo before). If you don't understand (because you aren't a physicist), then why do you believe what you do? Because you reject the sky god hypothesis? So why is that the only alternative?
At best you could say "I have no seen evidence of a god nor any rationale that sways me to suspect there is a god, but I cannot say for sure there is no god." To go beyond that is a religion.
Quote:You want to falsify it? Pony up the evidence that substantiates theism.I did. The response was TL;DR along with a pic of a dancing black kid.