RE: Proof that God exists
January 16, 2018 at 8:25 pm
(This post was last modified: January 16, 2018 at 8:57 pm by Amarok.)
Quote:Paraphrasing: Conceptions of matter that have not been presented are of no concern to me . And are ultimately as baseless as matter that have been presented to me. Therefore you don't believe in dark matter because no one has any idea what it is.Nope this is a foolish comparison dark matter is both conceived and evidenced and presented .And yes they theoretically know what it is And are actively studying it .And as simon said we know matter exists thus it's not the same as god . And yes i need no more waste time on concepts of matter that have not been presented . Anymore then concepts of matter that are known and have failed to be evidenced . Both are not evidenced . This is just a rehatach of the tired theist argument "but there might be evidence someday " Do you have it now ? No then don't pester me with such claims . Till then i am justified in not accepting the claim .
Quote:Huh? HuhNeither have any evidence presented by it's source . So i treat them the same .
Quote:Awfully presumptuous and a bit arrogant to say evidence for god does not exist. All you can say is that evidence has not yet been presented to you. Or you could say that evidence has been presented, but you refused to see it as evidence. But to say it does not exist... that's illogical.I never said it does not exist strawman(considering i plainly said the word DEMONSTRATING) . To your second point . Yup that's the case so why did you impose a position i never stated .
Quote:yes, atheism is a belief. It's a preference and opinion. Show me how the conscious comes from the unconscious. You can't. And since you can't, it's a matter of preference to believe that it did. Atheists are almost certainly fervently hoping some rationale will come to light one day that will prove their preference, which is antipodal to searching for evidence to disprove their hypothesis.Nope atheism is the disbelief in a specific proposition . And no atheism is not attached to materialism nor any specific metaphysics. And no i don't hope for anything specific in regards to it. Your adding things to atheism that are not in the negation .
Quote:Theism - belief god(s) exist in absence of proof that god(s) exist.Nope
Agnosticism - no belief, not sure what to believe.
Atheism - belief no gods exist in absence of proof that no gods exist
Agnostic Theism - I believe in god but am not certain he exists
Gnostic Theism - I believe in god .And am certain he exists
Agnosticism- Does not exist in pure form
Agnostic Atheist - I don't accept the theist existence of god . But am not certain if he exists
Gnostic Atheism - I don't believe that god exists . And i'm certain
( this is so because atheism and theism are questions about belief and disbelief . While Agnosticism and Gnosticism are questions of confidence or epistemology )(not to mention there is a spectrum you can be more or less certain)
Quote:Prove the last one.Don't need to as i'm not making a positive claim .
Quote:t best you could say "I have no seen evidence of a god nor any rationale that sways me to suspect there is a god, but I cannot say for sure there is no god." To go beyond that is a religion
nope what i can say is the source of the claim god exists cannot provide evidence of that claim . Thus i have no basis to accept that claim . Thus i disbelieve in it . No were in that statement is the notion that a god does not exist . You seriously need to educate yourself before commenting .
Quote:Then define agnosticism. Can't have two words meaning the same thingSimple it's a level of uncertainty in contrast with gnosticism which is certainty . This has little to do with atheism or theism as they are a different question .
Quote:Yawn. Heard that a million times.
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