RE: Proof that God exists
January 16, 2018 at 8:45 pm
(This post was last modified: January 16, 2018 at 9:11 pm by Simon Moon.)
(January 15, 2018 at 10:18 pm)Agnosty Wrote:Quote:My hypothesis is that theists have not met their burden of proof. I have no justification to believe a god exists. That position for me, is a provisional one. If I was presented with demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument to support the claim that a god exists, I would no longer ba an atheist.
You're agnostic because you have no knowledge that a god exists. An atheist goes beyond simple lack of knowledge with the assertion that there are no gods. That assertion requires knowledge, evidence, rationale, something.
Yes, I am agnostic for the reason you mention.
But you are wrong about atheist asserting that gods don't exist. Just disbelieving that they do exist is all that is needed for the atheist label.
Even if you look at the etymology of the word, it proves our point:
Theist - belief in the existence of a god or gods
A + theism - The "A" prefix means "without" or "not". Added to theist, it means "without belief in a god". There is nothing in the definition of atheism that requires an assertion that gods do not exist.
Quote:I don't know why atheists take nomenclature so personally; it's just a label to succinctly convey information about an ideology. Why does it matter if the label is spelled a+t+h+e+i+s+t or a+g+n+o+s+t+i+c???
Because we are not just having casual conversations here. We are having conversations that require specific, formal, definitions, so we are not talking past each other. Colloquial definitions won't do.
Quote:fehjgsef = person who believes gods exist
fhadjkbb = person who doesn't believe anything
jgbrjebt = person who believes no gods exist.
The first word describes a theist.
I am not sure what your second word means, because everyone has beliefs. If you mean "a person that does not believe in gods", then it is describing an atheist.
The third word describes a strong or explicit atheist. Some atheists are this type. Some simply lack belief in gods, or weak or implicit atheists.
Sorry that you are so hung up on the words, and are unable to understand the nuances of the actual position.
Quote:Pick one. Why does it matter how it's spelled? Why contort atheism to mean agnosticism?
i don't contort atheism to mean agnosticism. They are answers to different questions.
i understand that one of those words relates to knowledge, and one relates to belief.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.