RE: What are your answers?
August 25, 2011 at 3:32 pm
(This post was last modified: August 25, 2011 at 3:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
In the lovely tradition of picking things apart.
According to the Bible............
If you're going to base any claim to truth from what you read in the bible, you'll need to show that the bible is a reliable source of said truth. That being said:
1. God promises to show himself to people who are really seeking him. (Meaning, if someone hasn't found him, it's because they are not seeking with a humble heart, they seek with certain expectations of what God should be to them and God will not submit to human expectations. Just as you would not follow the commands of a toddler.)
This absolves god of any responsibility while simultaneously condemning man for what the creator should have already known about him when he was created.
2. God promises to never abandon us and he shows his love by the sacrifice that he made to redeem us from sin.
What sacrifice, what sin? I understand that you believe that these things happened, but why?
3. God tells us that we have a purpose, that we were created for Jesus and by Jesus, and each person is given gifts and talents to use to bring others to know him so that everyone can be welcomed into paradise. He doesn't demand that we hurt ourselves to glorify him, but he does warn that following him could mean brutal torture (martyrdom) at the hands of his enemy, Lucifer.
Again, what reason do you have to believe this? Our talents come from god but not our faults? Seems a bit one sided. Care to add up the number of non-christians that have been martryed against the number of christians?
4. God does not want to see any perish, but people who reject him are essentially accepting his enemy, Lucifer, as their master, he makes it very clear there are only two sides and he created Hell for Lucifer, therefore anyone who serves Lucifer will have a share in his punishment.
With me or against me eh? Damn the implications.
5. Salvation is a free gift, given to us by the sacrifice of Jesus, we do not need to log any service hours, we do not need to say a certain number of hail Mary's, we don't need to go to church every day and speak only certain words or wear certain things, or pray in certain positions, all we need to do is believe that Jesus rose from the dead, that his sacrifice was real and that he is God. We also need to use the Bible as a guide to understand what he plans for our lives and how to respond to evil when it comes our way.
A free gift that does indeed demand that you accept the word, and all moral judgements, regardless of your own personal opinion or compass
6. Heaven is a place where the Lord promises to wipe away all sorrow and suffering. In heaven I will be able to speak and touch the Lord. I believe that he will reveal to me all the questions I've had, and the reason why people I thought wouldn't be present are present and people I thought would be there are not. Heaven is also a place where I will see all my family members that have chosen Christ, and we will be like the angels, not given in marriage or married. We will have jobs, homes, and a reward for believing without seeing God, but most of all, we will have a personal connection with Christ for eternity. In religions like, Buddhism there's this idea of reincarnation, which means that it's unlikely I will ever see my family members again, I could become a butterfly in the next life, while others become different creatures, and we'll never be reunited, I believe that we were made to interact with other humans and that relationships are what make us thrive, losing that...means losing our humanity.
Firstly heaven is a place? Why is it that this place seems to be filled with things you enjoy, should my heaven look like your heaven? Do you think it does?
7. God promises that when he appears, anyone who calls on his name will be saved, which means that when he returns he's not Godzilla just crushing everyone under his strength, he's going to give people who needed to see him the opportunity to choose in that moment as well! Many religions teach that once it's over, it's over, but the Lord shows repeatedly that he gives people time to come to him, like he did when Noah was building the ark!
I've already alluded to this. If god appeared, I wouldn't bend my knee. There are tyrants here on earth that I refuse to worship, his appearence would only increase their number
8. Finally, God promises that when we become eternal we will never be tempted again because he will extinguish all sin and evil, and he will judge everyone fairly, according to the things they have done in their lifetime. The best part of this mystery is that we do not fully understand what will happen to some people, there are people who are covered with the sacrifice of Jesus and they don't even know his name! Therefore during judgment they may be plenty of people that will give an account for their deeds and find they were covered by the grace of Jesus. Judgement belongs to God alone!
Perhaps he should have done all of this in the first place
According to the Bible............
If you're going to base any claim to truth from what you read in the bible, you'll need to show that the bible is a reliable source of said truth. That being said:
1. God promises to show himself to people who are really seeking him. (Meaning, if someone hasn't found him, it's because they are not seeking with a humble heart, they seek with certain expectations of what God should be to them and God will not submit to human expectations. Just as you would not follow the commands of a toddler.)
This absolves god of any responsibility while simultaneously condemning man for what the creator should have already known about him when he was created.
2. God promises to never abandon us and he shows his love by the sacrifice that he made to redeem us from sin.
What sacrifice, what sin? I understand that you believe that these things happened, but why?
3. God tells us that we have a purpose, that we were created for Jesus and by Jesus, and each person is given gifts and talents to use to bring others to know him so that everyone can be welcomed into paradise. He doesn't demand that we hurt ourselves to glorify him, but he does warn that following him could mean brutal torture (martyrdom) at the hands of his enemy, Lucifer.
Again, what reason do you have to believe this? Our talents come from god but not our faults? Seems a bit one sided. Care to add up the number of non-christians that have been martryed against the number of christians?
4. God does not want to see any perish, but people who reject him are essentially accepting his enemy, Lucifer, as their master, he makes it very clear there are only two sides and he created Hell for Lucifer, therefore anyone who serves Lucifer will have a share in his punishment.
With me or against me eh? Damn the implications.
5. Salvation is a free gift, given to us by the sacrifice of Jesus, we do not need to log any service hours, we do not need to say a certain number of hail Mary's, we don't need to go to church every day and speak only certain words or wear certain things, or pray in certain positions, all we need to do is believe that Jesus rose from the dead, that his sacrifice was real and that he is God. We also need to use the Bible as a guide to understand what he plans for our lives and how to respond to evil when it comes our way.
A free gift that does indeed demand that you accept the word, and all moral judgements, regardless of your own personal opinion or compass
6. Heaven is a place where the Lord promises to wipe away all sorrow and suffering. In heaven I will be able to speak and touch the Lord. I believe that he will reveal to me all the questions I've had, and the reason why people I thought wouldn't be present are present and people I thought would be there are not. Heaven is also a place where I will see all my family members that have chosen Christ, and we will be like the angels, not given in marriage or married. We will have jobs, homes, and a reward for believing without seeing God, but most of all, we will have a personal connection with Christ for eternity. In religions like, Buddhism there's this idea of reincarnation, which means that it's unlikely I will ever see my family members again, I could become a butterfly in the next life, while others become different creatures, and we'll never be reunited, I believe that we were made to interact with other humans and that relationships are what make us thrive, losing that...means losing our humanity.
Firstly heaven is a place? Why is it that this place seems to be filled with things you enjoy, should my heaven look like your heaven? Do you think it does?
7. God promises that when he appears, anyone who calls on his name will be saved, which means that when he returns he's not Godzilla just crushing everyone under his strength, he's going to give people who needed to see him the opportunity to choose in that moment as well! Many religions teach that once it's over, it's over, but the Lord shows repeatedly that he gives people time to come to him, like he did when Noah was building the ark!
I've already alluded to this. If god appeared, I wouldn't bend my knee. There are tyrants here on earth that I refuse to worship, his appearence would only increase their number
8. Finally, God promises that when we become eternal we will never be tempted again because he will extinguish all sin and evil, and he will judge everyone fairly, according to the things they have done in their lifetime. The best part of this mystery is that we do not fully understand what will happen to some people, there are people who are covered with the sacrifice of Jesus and they don't even know his name! Therefore during judgment they may be plenty of people that will give an account for their deeds and find they were covered by the grace of Jesus. Judgement belongs to God alone!
Perhaps he should have done all of this in the first place
