Conservatives have more self-control

[John V]

I don't know about cities but the states that have traditionally been the most Republican controlled are often the poorest and use the most welfare. I don't even think they are poor because they are Republicans, I think it's the other way around. People turn to religion when they have nothing else and very religious people usually vote Republican. Still I don't know of Republican policies or religion ever turning things around in these states.

http://www.politifact.com/california/sta...ty-rate-w/

"If you look at the official poverty measure in California, we’re about average with the rest of the country," Mayes said. "But if you use the supplemental poverty measure [factors in cost of living], we are in the lead. We have the highest poverty rate in the nation -- higher than New Mexico, higher than any of the southern states, Louisiana, Alabama, higher than Idaho."

Also I will restate that in order to keep getting food stamps and many other forms of government help, unless you're disabled, you have to prove that you are at least applying for jobs. Some help is in the form of programs to get people in work.

But it seems kind of silly to me that if position 1 is : "If we think you need help you will get some, with conditions,"and position 2 is "You're on your own. Get off your lazy ass, you'll get no help!"

That position 2 results in less poverty? Even when a lot of the help some Republicans want to get rid of is education and training so that people can work.

I don't recall anyone taking position 2.

Most of the farthest left don't want everybody to have the same pay no matter what someones job is or if they work at all.

This I believe.

They just want equality of opportunity

This is bullshit.

Chances are you or someone close to you has benefited from these programs. Perhaps without them they'd be dead, or you wouldn't know them because they'd be homeless.

Yes, someone I know benefited temporarily from such programs. That's part of why I'm not against them.

You're fighting a caricature.