(February 13, 2018 at 4:05 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(February 13, 2018 at 1:52 pm)SteveII Wrote: 1. You just said we can't get to an actual infinity by adding--but you can already have one???? How does that make any sense? Even in metaphysics, you have to follow the rules of logic. You hand-wave an actual infinity into existence because you need it for your theory--a theory whose sole purpose is to avoid a beginning. This is a perfect example of needing a theory that does x and then back-filling it with whatever crazy concepts you need to (regardless of if they are logical) and then declaring "according to the theory..." Don't think that's what you and Polymath are doing? Neither one of you has even attempted to explain it--just assert it over and over as part of the "theory."
You can't complete a potential infinity. But if the infinity is already there, there is no need to complete it. It's there already. You believe God is an example of actual infinity anyway. Why then are you arguing against an actual infinity? Oh, that's right. You only want your God to be that special.
I had a couple of questions on your first response here (I hope you don't mind)
An infinity is by definition unbound. How can you have a completed infinity or something that is already infinite?
What are you claiming of God, that is an actual infinity?
It also seems to me, that in utilizing the B theory of time in such a way, in talking about an infinite amount of time, you are talking about time in two different ways. And really their is not reason to assert that the block of time is eternal, anymore than it was born yesterday.
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