RE: Are Atheists using Intellectually Dishonest Arguments?
March 19, 2018 at 12:14 pm
(This post was last modified: March 19, 2018 at 12:24 pm by emjay.)
(March 19, 2018 at 11:52 am)vorlon13 Wrote:(March 19, 2018 at 11:31 am)emjay Wrote: I'm talking about more immediately than that... not about how Christianity has developed over time, but in the face of witnessing an awe-inspiring miracle... to then figuratively the next day go out and start worshiping something else doesn't make much sense.
What was it they found so uninspiring with the plagues Moses had inflicted on Egypt ??
Egypt was a shithole anyhow, (hence their desire to leave) and the plagues weren't that much of an incremental deterioration in the conditions there ??
Well, obviously I'm no expert, but imo if there was an exodus... and to whatever extent it was... then it's something that has been exaggerated into legend over time; favourable tides become the sea parting, and natural events and coincidences, centring around the rivers, become all the plagues etc.
(March 19, 2018 at 12:12 pm)Khemikal Wrote: IDK, is it? The christers insist that the religion they follow is the religion of those eyewitnesses. Hell, one of them is supposed to have denied his god how many times at the seminal moment?
It's a fiction that christianity branched, at the outset, btw. That it started as a monolith that then flung out into subsects. It began "branched"..and the early history of the church is the history of attempting to establish a christian monolith. To smash the bull and kill the worshipers. There were no witnesses to these events, which never occurred. Just a bunch of pagans dancing around bovine peen from the outset until one group had killed or suppressed the others effectively, appropriating their literature or traditions as it suited.
They failed, obviously..and christianty remains as fractious and idolatrous today as it ever was.
I'm still talking about actual eye-witnesses, not what people believe about eye-witnesses. But fair point on the second... that would be another example of what I meant... of unrealistically ignoring awe-inspiring miracles, but in that case, from the New Testament. Anyway, I wasn't saying I believe it happened, just saying that if it was taken at face value, those were the problems I had with it.
