Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills

[Tiberius]

Is that where we are going now? So I cant point out how Libertarians and fascists are grouped up (using proof after proof) because its considered a personal attack on you and Void? Then you say that its exactly like "creationists are idiots" is an example of a personal attack... thats fucking brilliant... now you have to warn damn near every single atheist on this site for personally attacking every christian on this forum. Or is this a special case, where all the jabs the atheists did on this site towards christianity is ignored, but any jab I make at libertarianism is a stab directly in your heart?

If you want to point it out, then actually provide a reasonable proof. So far, I have not seen any valid or sound arguments that Libertarianism and Fascism can be seen to be anything other than polar opposites. I've said it time and time again, the very definitions of Libertarianism and Fascism make them completely incompatible. It would be like saying someone was a right-wing leftist. Words have meanings; not all of them can be placed together in the same sentence and still make sense. You can't have vegetarian meat-eaters, you can't have theistic atheists, and you can't have Libertarian fascists (or any form of statist).

Most atheists on these forums don't call creationists idiots. They may refer to their arguments as "idiotic", but this is entirely different. We've long had rules in place that prevent people from personally attacking people; I suggest you go have a read of them. This isn't some kind of preferential treatment; we tell people off all the time for resulting to mindless insults rather than attacking someone's actual argument. If your "republicolibertarianazi" reference had been a one time thing, it would have probably been ignored. What is pissing people off now is that you make the reference as often as you possibly can. It's become more than an off-hand remark; it's a very nasty insult towards some of the more respected members of the community.

If thats true..if you HONESTLY stand by this double standard, then dont even warn me..just ban me now and be done with it and let everyone on the forum see exactly how you work with things like this.

Like I said, it isn't a double standard. You aren't going to goad me into banning you; I don't work like that. If you don't like how things are done here, you are free to leave. If you keep up the level of personal attacks made simply because other people have different political beliefs to you, then the staff will make a decision on what is done with you.

..and I dont know a single atheist on this forum who hasnt once said "creationists are idiots". In fact I will bluntly say it right now..if you are a member of this forum, and a creationist, then you are freaking idiot. Its a fact. The believe fairy tales over science..that is a classifier for an idiot.

An if they have, we've called them on it, just as we are calling you on your behaviour. I also have to question your classifier; please provide a cited definition of the word "idiot" that contains the description "someone who believes fairy tales over science".

..and Im also fully aware that you have to get behind someone before you can stab them in the back.

What is that supposed to mean?

..because it isnt like I have, you know, posted countless times showing the connection between the three. Ive always just made shit up about it. I suppose I have to tell you that I was just being sarcastic as well?

You've posted numerous times attempting to show a connection, and you've been shot down every single time. Your "examples" are usually of the form:

1) Person A claims to be a Libertarian.
2) Person A has some undesirable beliefs that are fascist in nature.
3) Therefore Libertarianism is fascist.

or:

1) Person A is a Libertarian.
2) Group B is fascist and supports Person A.
3) Therefore Person A is a fascist.

These arguments are not valid, let alone sound. People can claim to be whatever they want, but that doesn't make them so. If I claimed to be a socialist, and then said "I believe that we should get rid of the public sector", would it suddenly mean that socialism espouses the idea that we should get rid of the public sector? No. It would mean that I'm claiming to be a socialist, yet espousing completely non-socialist ideas.

Sometimes, people will claim to be something and simply not fit the bill. If a person claims to be a Libertarian and then espouses fascist ideas, they can't be a Libertarian. As theVOID succinctly showed the other day, Libertarianism not only has nothing in common with fascism, but in many cases is the polar opposite of it.

This coming from a man who is ready to ban me for political speech. What makes you think I wasnt calm the entire time I was posting the facts? I have taken a good look at the sort of things I have posted. I just recently posted an article from a site called "The American Fascist Movement" that specifically says that all Fascists, and all Americans, should read all of Ron Paul's books, and consider nominating and voting for him as the REPUBLICAN presidential candidate. That is CLEARLY a Fascist suggesting to other fascists that they should vote a Libertarian into the Republican party for president. Its point blank, its clear, it shows what I have been posting about all this time...

I'm not ready to ban you for political speech; I'm retiring from the staff team. It's up to them if they want to ban you, but so far all they've done is issue you a couple of verbal warnings. If you keep on going the way you've been going, you'll get actual warnings.

I commented on the thread you made. It follows the second argument style I outlined above. Just because a fascist group supports a candidate, it does not necessarily mean that the candidate is a fascist. Candidates align themselves with political parties, not the other way around.

Case in point, the American Communist Party officially endorsed Barack Obama for the 2012 election. Does this mean Barack Obama and the Democrats are now communists? No, of course not. So don't use the same argument against Libertarians...

...but, as usual, I dont expect you or void to acknowledge the evidence for what it is. You will over rationalize it. You will "no true scottsman" it, and you will even find a way to blame me for it.

Pardon me for "over rationalizing". If you want me to accept your arguments and evidence, I demand that they are based in rationality. I'm sorry if that's not the way you want things, but most people on these forums are rationalists in some way, and we don't believe things unless they are firmly supported in reason.

When did I godwin? I guess you are going to say that my last post of the American Fascist Movement suggesting that all American fascists vote a libertarian into the Republican party for president is ALSO a godwin...huh? Im going to get negative response from some people anyways..there are hundreds of members on this forum, cant make all the ass-hats happy. Besides, the positive comments and support and thumbs up I have gotten have far has outweighed the negative responses. Im sure if you were paying so close attention to notice the negative, that you also just happened to notice the positives as wel? Didnt you? ..or am I allowed to point that out?

Godwin's law states "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (100%)." You open your threads (usually in the subject line) with the term "Republicolibertarianazi", a direct comparison of Republicans / Libertarians and Nazis.

No, your post about the American Fascist Movement isn't a strict Godwin, but it's not exactly a valid comparison either, as I've previously demonstrated.

I'm well aware that there are people who give you positive comments, however I doubt very much they outweigh all the negative responses. You tend to have only two big supporters; Minimalist and bozo. The rest of the forum either don't care or disagree with your style of debate. If there are more people who think what you are doing is "right", then I implore them to actually look at the facts; read about fascism, read about Nazism, and then do a direct comparison with Libertarianism. Stop assuming that every person who claims they are a Libertarian is a Libertarian, and start looking at what they say, what they believe, and (more importantly), what they do. Then you can decide if their actions and words are compatible with Libertarianism or not.

Countless times..me and Min both have posted evidence after evidence and it has brushed of and re-interpreted or ignored every single time by you and void. Here look at this most recent one..its point blank blunt

http://atheistforums.org/thread-8384.html

When I said "argument", I meant one that was both valid and sound, not ones which are based on logical fallacies.

You see that Min? He hasnt noticed the countless times we have tag teamed left and right just slamming article and web site, after quote of the evidence of the alliance between American Fascists (whom I call "nazi's" for short), Republicans, and Libertarians...or the times when other members chipped in and brought their own searches to the table.

Firstly, posting an article or a website doesn't make an argument. Secondly, an "alliance" depends on both parties agreeing. Point me to an official statement of the Republican or Libertarian party claiming to acknowledge and accept the support of the American Fascists and we'll have a better discussion. So far, all I've seen is a statement from the American Fascists saying "Hey America, you should vote for this guy". The American Communist party have done the same with Obama, but it doesn't mean there is an "alliance" between Obama and the Communists, or the Democrats and Communists.

He wants me to prove him wrong? I just posted an article for the American Fascist Movement asking all fascists and all Americans alike to vote a libertarian (Ron Paul) as President for the Republican ticket.

...now I await the status of the Scottsman.... is he true or not?

It's not a no true Scotsman you'll be glad to know. It's just that you can't imply a two-way connection by only listening to one side of the story. If Ron Paul accepts the support of the American Fascists, and publicly allies himself to them, then we have something to talk about. Heck, if he does that, I'll admit to you hands down that you were right all along about him.

However, would it make Libertarianism a fascist political movement? No. Like I've said countless times before, you can call yourself a Libertarian, but it doesn't make you a Libertarian unless you follow the political theory behind it. Supporting fascism goes against everything the Libertarian party stands for.