SCOTUS Tells Anti-Abortion Nuts To Go Fuck Themselves

[LadyForCamus]

I’m talking about having a moral discussion.

Yes, and moral discussions involve judgments. When you opine that something is moral or immoral, you're judging.

Sure, yes. What I am attempting to differentiate here is one individual’s subjective moral judgement versus having that open dialogue as a society and arriving at collectively agreed upon moral facts, if that’s even possible. Much of the abortion rhetoric going on these days shuts down discussion rather than opens it up. “Never, ever have an abortion!” versus “women should be able to have an abortion at any time, for any reason, as many times as they want!” That’s black and white thinking that I don’t find to be appropriate given the complexity of the subject.

Having cake and eating it too?  Yeah, it is a bit like that, I guess. How can we preserve a woman’s bodily autonomy without diminishing the value of human life?  I never said I had all the answers.  Maybe there is no perfectly, morally right solution.  But my point about Tres was that women should get to have sex for pleasure just as men do.

And, as I've said, I have nothing against (and in the case of my wife am extremely in favor of) women having sex for pleasure.

HOWEVER...when weighing the value of human life against the freedom to have sex for pleasure, I'm siding with the value of human life. Once you come to the position that the unborn baby is indeed human life, as you have (at least in some circumstances), I don't see how you can choose otherwise.

And in some circumstances, I, as an individual, subjectively agree with you.