(April 9, 2018 at 4:40 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(April 8, 2018 at 11:12 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Wow. So you’re completely disregarding the physical suffering, and likely permanent psychological, and emotional trauma of an adult human woman? She should be forced to carry and deliver her rapist’s offspring after what she’s been through? Her control over her own body was robbed from her while being raped, and you think she should suffer further by being robbed of bodily control for another nine months? That would be like being raped over and over for nine months. I don’t think you actually know what it means to be human.
No, I do t think that at all... remember how we talked about not trying to speak for me.
Edit to add: One might think that using rape in such a rhetorical way, and in comparing pregnancy to being raped, that it is you who minimize and don’t respect the issue!
You have no business demanding what other people do with their own bodies. Neither does anyone else, especially men. So let me just comment on your signature just to point out how you took that quote out of context (because that's what you apologists tend to do best with nonbelievers).
Here's what Vilenkin said a couple of paragraphs later:
Quote:Theologians have often welcomed any evidence for the beginning of the universe, regarding it as evidence for the existence of God… So what do we make of a proof that the beginning is unavoidable? Is it a proof of the existence of God? This view would be far too simplistic. Anyone who attempts to understand the origin of the universe should be prepared to address its logical paradoxes. In this regard, the theorem that I proved with my colleagues does not give much of an advantage to the theologian over the scientist. As evidenced by Jinasena’s remarks earlier in this chapter, religion is not immune to the paradoxes of Creation.
Nevertheless, multiple scientists disagree with him, and there's no consensus among cosmologists regarding whether the universe had a beginning or not. Vilenkin has his selection (and interpretation) of models to draw conclusions from, and so do other physicists and cosmologists. Which is why, ultimately, to end the debate, scientific evidence is required.
