(April 10, 2018 at 7:39 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I disagree. We tell women who are pregnant, not to smoke, not to drink, not to do crack! We tell them this, because it is not just their body they are effecting. (any more smoking will get you nasty looks any way).
Well, this is one of those things being legally debated. Perhaps we shouldn't ban pregnant women from drinking or smoking. Rather, we should provide education and support for women prone to abuse drugs and alcohol while pregnant, rather than use punitive measures to oppress women.
Quote:However abortion is not about what the woman who is pregnant does with her body. It is specifically an act of violence against another human (not the woman).
Which happens to not be illegal, so appeal to emotions all you want, but you aren't going to succeed in having women oppressed and enslaved for your satisfaction. And you don't care about fetuses anyway. This is an anti-woman thing on your part.
Quote:As to your side track comment on my signature quote. I don't think that you did show it as out of context. To do so, I think that you would need to show immediate context, where the quote was immediately negated, or to possibly show where the quote only applies within an immediate an narrow context. Your problem might be one, that I suspect happens a lot here (especially concerning theists and religion. That you assume much more than what is said, and arguments that I'm not making. You may be reading into things too much, and trying to find problems that are not there.
I did check the context of the quote when I applied it to my signature (though I don't recall it now). I don't remember seeing any problem with context. I also do not think that it was dependent on anything else around it, rather the idea is fully encapsulated within the quote, and was utilized by Vilenkin in this particular circumstance.. So, if you are done tilting at windmills, can we get back to the discussion of ideas?
Yeah, here's the passive aggressive disingenuous RR-tactic in full glory once again. Like you'd have even thought to quote Vilenkin if it weren't for William Lane Craig doing the same, lol.
